Decades of Sexual Harassment Accusations Against Harvey Weinstein - Part 3

[DeadPresident]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

I am specifically talking about men compared to women in the Weinstein situation. It is why I put it in bold.

I brought up Trump to show how the vast majority women would have theoretically saw this going in the past. We just saw it happen with Trump, who left unscathed because of the support he received. The Weinstein situation is literally the tipping point.

Which male stars, directors or mega producers have been thrown under the bus for being simply associated with Weinstein? Who has gotten in actual trouble for actual knowledge of them knowing? Affleck has his brother and his own admittance of actions. Still was out for the JL tour. Every time Damon opens his mouth, he makes himself look guilty of at the very least being clueless. What has happened to him? Robert Rodriguez and Brad Pitt admitted they knew. Nothing. What happened with QT, maybe Weinstein's biggest star, would admitted he knew without knowing? Bidding war for his new film.

The only person who has had to actual answer for working with Weinstein in Streep. Applauding for Polanski Streep.

I'm not talking about visible consequence so much as I'm talking about the court of social media opinion, which is a growing force these days. Nobody has faced repercussions simply for associating with Weinstein, but the many-headed entity that is the global public seems to call for action against men for associating with Weinstein while they haven't seemingly done that for Oprah, I find that bizarre.

I also don't exactly understand what metaphysical consequences people are hoping for. I'm a little disturbed (not saying you're doing this, just a tendency I see on social media) by this notion that if someone commits a crime they should be essentially exiled from society for life with no opportunity for rehabilitation or recovery. I don't really buy into retributive justice.

[Roose Bolton]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-masseuse.html

[Lighthouse]

Daily Mail is garbage.

[Sundancer]

It's hardly the only place reporting it. James Franco just came under fire, too.

If Stan is guilty, then all hope for humanity is lost.

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by Sundancer

It's hardly the only place reporting it. James Franco just came under fire, too.

If Stan is guilty, then all hope for humanity is lost.

Not saying he didn't do it, but I'll never take the word of the Daily Mail.

[Black Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Sundancer

It's hardly the only place reporting it. James Franco just came under fire, too.

If Stan is guilty, then all hope for humanity is lost.

[RockSP]

Originally Posted by DeadPresident

Reading between the lines is my thing. What I find interesting is guilt by association with Weinstein seems generally to pertain to the men he interacted with. Surely if the knowledge of his behavior was so widespread not even being all that way in Chicago would've prevented Oprah from at least having an inkling of knowledge about his conduct?

I just find it interesting that when others knew about his occasionally criminal behavior the collective outcry was "Why didn't they say something! Why didn't they do something! They're complicit!" as soon as they're even peripherally connected with Weinstein. Oprah comes along and has produced things alongside Weinstein and the reflex is…"She would've done something if she'd known…surely".

Seems to me like she's busy getting the Stan Lee/Dustin Hoffman/Bill Cosby/Meryl Streep treatment in so far as she's a generally liked person so people don't want to believe bad things about her. I mean Meryl Streep has applauded Polansky, a move I'm sure would've had/has had many other men drawn and quartered on social media. Meryl Streep got a wrap on the knuckles for that and it died down immediately. Obviously people would prefer to keep their idols on their pedestals.

Nah, strawman nonsense is your thing. Seen it too many times in the Racism thread. None of what you just typed applies to anything I've said in this thread.

[AndrewGilkison]

Stan Lee is 95 years old and has been in the public eye since the 60's. You'd think there would be a lot more accusations; going much farther back - that would be flooding the news cycle right now. You'd also think some outfit more reputable than Daily Mail would be breaking these stories of harassment.

Not saying for sure that he's innocent but... this doesn't really add up.

[The Endless]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Read the rest of the post, and the other part I quoted. I specifically point out it goes to the affirmative consent. Which is continuous.

The bold part is... creepy.

You've never been woken up with a blow job? It's great.

[Schlosser85]

Old men getting handsy with nurses is super common in nursing homes. He's likely going senile and losing sense of appropriate behaviors. I think it's a bit unfair to throw stones at a 95 year old man with no previous public harassment allegations over a very long career.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by Schlosser85

Old men getting handsy with nurses is super common in nursing homes. He's likely going senile and losing sense of appropriate behaviors.

I could actually see him chasing younger women and getting handsy . Some of the more lewd allegations though I'm just not convinced of .

[LibidoLoca]

Reese Witherspoon Opens Up About How Her Sexual Assault Impacted Her Life

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

[James.B]

Eliza Dushku talks about being molested during the filming of "True Lies," by stunt coordinator Joel Kramer.
https://m.facebook.com/OfficialEliza...69957739689557

[Drizzle]

Holy ****, check out Joel Kramer's IMDB bio. I hope they don't take that down.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004273/

[Guts]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

Holy ****, check out Joel Kramer's IMDB bio. I hope they don't take that down.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004273/

The only thing his bio says is that he was born in Tuscon, Arizona and he worked on Furious 7, Heat, and Innerspace. What did it say before?

[James.B]

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

Not saying he didn't do it, but I'll never take the word of the Daily Mail.

I get this. Totally. But then I was reminded the other day the Daily Mail broke the Wiener story. So, hard to dismiss them completely imo.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Schlosser85

Old men getting handsy with nurses is super common in nursing homes. He's likely going senile and losing sense of appropriate behaviors. I think it's a bit unfair to throw stones at a 95 year old man with no previous public harassment allegations over a very long career.

What is "handsy" and how is it different then sexual harassment or assault?

[BestGirl]

Schlossser probably just meant that Stan didn't try to rape anyone, merely groped them. There are varying degrees of sexual assault and groping is one of the lower ones. The important point he made, though, is that Stan is really old and old people can engage in inappropriate behavior that their younger selves would not have.

[kevork89]

Poor Eliza. That was absolutely disgusting.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by BestGirl

Schlossser probably just meant that Stan didn't try to rape anyone, merely groped them. There are varying degrees of sexual assault and groping is one of the lower ones. The important point he made, though, is that Stan is really old and old people can engage in inappropriate behavior that their younger selves would not have.

While that is true for some, have we any evidence that Stan Lee is senile or such? He seems rather coherent it in his cameos and rare appearances.

[BestGirl]

He's 95. Most people don't completely have it together mentally at that age.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by BestGirl

He's 95. Most people don't completely have it together mentally at that age.

So we just assume he isn't capable of keeping his pants on, not groping or doing other such harassment?

[Doug_Moore]

But then I was reminded the other day the Daily Mail broke the Wiener story.

It was actually the New York Times after NBC refused to report it.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Doug_Moore

It was actually the New York Times after NBC refused to report it.

It was the Daily Mail that claimed he had done so with a 15 year old girl.