Discussion: The Economy, Fiscal Cliff, National Debt, And Other Financial Issues III

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I think you're really delusional about the motivations of the GOP, while they haven't offered an alternative to Obamacare, their efforts to repeal Obamacare are ideological due to the expansion of government regulation, the increase in taxes, and overall bureaucratic mess that the bill represents. It's not meant for show, they actually want to get rid of the bill because they are genuinely opposed to it. And many members of Congress were elected to do things like that.

So let's see if the Bill to repal Obamacare passes the house it then

1. Has to be brought up in the Senate
2. has to pass in the Senate
3. Obama has to sign it

So of the 3 things that need to happen, the first is very unlikely, the second is even more unlikely and the third will never happen. So yes it's a lost cause just done for show but hey they creeping on 50 tries, so maybe the 51st will be free.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

So let's see if the Bill to repal Obamacare passes the house it then

1. Has to be brought up in the Senate
2. has to pass in the Senate
3. Obama has to sign it

So of the 3 things that need to happen, the first is very unlikely, the second is even more unlikely and the third will never happen. So yes it's a lost cause just done for show but hey they creeping on 50 tries, so maybe the 51st will be free.

Of course it's not ever going to happen. To think that a repeal of Obamacare would succeed is just flat out delusional. You're completely missing the point.

The reality is that a good chunk of the GOP delegation were elected in very conservative districts (that have become even more conservative through gerrymandering) and they were elected specifically to oppose the Obama agenda. Doing things like holding symbolic (but utterly pointless) votes to repeal Obamacare is their way of trying to fulfill their promises to their constituents the best they can. And the GOP House leadership has no choice but to go along with it because they hold no control over these Tea Party inspired members.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Of course it's not ever going to happen. To think that a repeal of Obamacare would succeed is just flat out delusional. You're completely missing the point.

The reality is that a good chunk of the GOP delegation was elected in very conservative districts (that have become even more conservative through gerrymandering) and they were elected specifically to oppose the Obama agenda. Doing things like holding symbolic (but utterly pointless) votes to repeal Obamacare is their way of trying to fulfill their promises to their constituents the best they can.

So they basically wasting time and money to try prove a point. Great government there. I get it though(do something to please your base), bring it up once a year to make a point, but 37 times is beyond ridiculous. It's as if the Republicans have a bad case of A.D.D. and can't do anything productive till they get beyond that one thing that will never change

Here is the problem with constantly going after Obamacare. It might help the Republican party in gerrymandered congressional districts, but it makes the party in a bigger picture(Senate and President races) look useless and will turn off independents who don't have a dog in the fight that just wants a government that does it's job competently

Bold prediction here, in 2014 the Republicans constantly making Obamacare an issue(as if it's the only thing that is important) will cost them a few Senate seats and give the Democrats a net gain in the House(but not enough for a majority)

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

So they basically wasting time and money to try prove a point. Great government there. I get it though(do something to please your base), bring it up once a year to make a point, but 37 times is beyond ridiculous

Oh I totally agree that it's ridiculous, but there is a basis for it beyond just for show. IMO, it really shows the weaknesses of both Congressional leadership and the Obama Administration for not being able to calm down the Tea Party inspired members.

[dnno1]

Ladies and gentlemen, please stop on this issue. In spite of attempts by the Republicans to circumvent the President's efforts, he has helped create and/or save jobs as well as helped stimulate the economy. You can find his record on job growth here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/snapshots/...-american-jobs. Since 2009, there have been over 6.8 million jobs added by the private sector and there still are plans to add more.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by dnno1

Ladies and gentlemen, please stop on this issue. In spite of attempts by the Republicans to circumvent the President's efforts, he has helped create and/or save jobs as well as helped stimulate the economy. You can find his record on job growth here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/snapshots/...-american-jobs. Since 2009, there have been over 6.8 million jobs added by the private sector and there still are plans to add more.

It's those private sector jobs that are killing us(your police officers, teachers, etc). You know those "Big Government" jobs that the Republicans love to demigog. I am guessing the amount of private sector jobs lost somewhat equals out the increase in private sector jobs.

[dnno1]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

It's those private sector jobs that are killing us(your police officers, teachers, etc). You know those "Big Government" jobs that the Republicans love to demigog. I am guessing the amount of private sector jobs lost somewhat equals out the increase in private sector jobs.

You mean public sector jobs.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by dnno1

You mean public sector jobs.

Opps yeah I ment the decrease in Public Sector "Big Government" jobs that Republicans seem to hate

[Destructus86]

Why is no one talking about the sequester? You know...the thing where congress is allowing people to die from lack of cancer treatment in order to ease the budget a little.

[Bathead]

Originally Posted by Destructus86

Why is no one talking about the sequester? You know...the thing where congress is allowing people to die from lack of cancer treatment in order to ease the budget a little.

And where did you get this?

[Destructus86]

Originally Posted by Bathead

And where did you get this?

http://www.mesotheliomaadvice.org/th...rug-shortages/

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...092336101.html

Many clinics focuses on cancer treatment have shut down or are forced to turn away people in need of cancer treatment, forcing people to go to hospitals where there is a shortage...which in turns forces doctors to decide who lives and who dies. ALL due to the sequester.