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Old 07-13-2017, 07:55 PM   #626
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I'm still reserving judgement until the show comes out. I can't wait, honestly. If I could see it in IMAX, I would.

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Collider Heroes was discussing it today. Instead of outright rage like Matt Key had on Screen Junkies, John Schnepp felt disappointment at the trailer (although he did like Lockjaw) and hopes that the second one is going to be better.

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Old 07-13-2017, 11:18 PM   #628
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I think the reason I had such a harsh reaction is because I never expected Marvel to put out something that looks this bad. I mean say what you want about Iron Fist and AoS, they've got nothing on this trailer in my opinion.

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Collider Heroes was discussing it today. Instead of outright rage like Matt Key had on Screen Junkies, John Schnepp felt disappointment at the trailer (although he did like Lockjaw) and hopes that the second one is going to be better.
Honestly, I don't get stronger reactions. Disappointment I can see. There are parts of the trailer I really love, but the only real excitement moment was Lockjaw (I wanted to be more excited with Black Bolt's voice, but the way it was cut or the way it was visually portrayed was underwhelming). For the most part, it's a very understated trailer for what I expect to be a show with a lot of talking. Inhumans are not generally over the top superheroics, which is why TV works better for them, but that doesn't make for an exciting trailer.

This is honestly Marvel's toughest property they've done so far in TV or film. The Guardians of the Galaxy are arguably weirder, but they also deliberately make fun of the fact that they're weird. Their weirdness is also of the adorable variety (Rocket and Groot) or drastically retconned from the comics (Drax). This is the first property that is saying "we're weird, but you should take us seriously." They also have two masters. Marvel Studios can make movies for themselves. They just have to make sure Bob Iger is OK with it. Jeph Loeb has to make sure that Perlmutter, Iger, ABC, and possibly IMAX are OK with the tone and direction. That's a tough thing to do.

In the end, I don't think this is a product that should be judged based on its trailers. Hell, I thought Iron Fist had an awesome trailer while I found Luke Cage's trailer to be underwhelming. Josh Macuga from Collider TV Talk talks about a three episode test If a show isn't good after three episodes, you can drop it. I know people that say one of their favorite shows ever was Spartacus, but the first two episodes are terrible. It took all the way to episode six of The Wire before I appreciated it. But I think it's possible for a good show to have a bad trailer, even if I'm extremely disappointed when I see a bad trailer.

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I think the reason I had such a harsh reaction is because I never expected Marvel to put out something that looks this bad. I mean say what you want about Iron Fist and AoS, they've got nothing on this trailer in my opinion.
For me it was also the fact that this came at the worst possible time. When I see how colorful and out there the costumes and art direction in the Thor: Ragnarok and Black Panther trailers look, seeing how sterile and boring everything about the visuals in the Inhumans trailer looked made everything 10 times worse.

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I just don't understand why they would go for IMAX unless the were going to bring the razzle dazzle. Are we supposed to be in awe of the minimalist IKEA furniture?

This also needed someone with Singers level of discipline if they were going to ground it or go full Kirby and look like Jupiter Ascending/ Valerian.

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I think when they announced IMAX they were going for something big and high-budget but then someone high up pulled the breaks on the budget, Scott Buck was hired to get it out fast and what we see now is the end result.

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So they originally announced this as a movie with possibly Vin Diesel starting. Then Agents of Shield did an Inhumans storyline. I wonder if after that happened, the movie division wasn't too happy which is how it got dropped from the movie schedule.

I mean, it felt like they were going to push Inhumans as their replacement for mutants at one point in time.

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So they originally announced this as a movie with possibly Vin Diesel starting. Then Agents of Shield did an Inhumans storyline. I wonder if after that happened, the movie division wasn't too happy which is how it got dropped from the movie schedule.

I mean, it felt like they were going to push Inhumans as their replacement for mutants at one point in time.
The movie division is not making decisions based on what the tv is doing. If it at all interfered with what Marvel Studios was planning it would have been stopped at the writing stage. For example, they originally planned Christine Palmer to be the night nurse in the Netflix shows but Marvel Studios already planned for her to be in Doctor Strange, so they prevented Netflix from it and they used Claire Temple for the role instead.

Likewise if Marvel Studios didn't want AoS to use Inhumans, then they wouldn't be able to use inhumans. The movies have the priority.

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The movie division is not making decisions based on what the tv is doing. If it at all interfered with what Marvel Studios was planning it would have been stopped at the writing stage. For example, they originally planned Christine Palmer to be the night nurse in the Netflix shows but Marvel Studios already planned for her to be in Doctor Strange, so they prevented Netflix from it and they used Claire Temple for the role instead.

Likewise if Marvel Studios didn't want AoS to use Inhumans, then they wouldn't be able to use inhumans. The movies have the priority.
Yup. The tv guys have to ask for permission first from their superior and Lord and Master (Marvel Studio) before they touch any Marvel character. I can only imagine how much that upsets Mr. Permutter.

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Not to mention that Carol Danvers was originally going to be on Jessica Jones, similar to Alias, but then the movie stuff happened.

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Not to mention that Carol Danvers was originally going to be on Jessica Jones, similar to Alias, but then the movie stuff happened.
That's interesting, never knew about that.

I wonder where Ms Marvel (Kamala) or Blade will end up....

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Yup. The tv guys have to ask for permission first from their superior and Lord and Master (Marvel Studio) before they touch any Marvel character. I can only imagine how much that upsets Mr. Permutter.
I don't think Perlmutter really cares about what characters the tv guys can use. He cares far more about pinching pennies and making money than having creative input into projects. And while I'm sure he's butthurt over having no control over Marvel Studios he's also no longer responsible. Meaning if the films tank his position as CEO will be unchanged. As long as the films and shows make money he doesn't care which character is where. He wants Inhuman to grow so they can add to their merchandise. And if the Studios have no plans for it, then TV is the next best thing.

Also Marvel Studios isn't "Lord and Master" just a different department that has first priority. You make it sound like Loeb has to kneel before Feige and kiss his ring before begging for a character. Chances are it's one assistant emails another saying: "Are they using any of these characters? No? Great!"

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The Vin Diesel fan speculation was purely fueled by Vin Diesel.

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They need to stop doing Marvel tv shows. Just put the remaining heroes in movies..Blade could be a sweet Netflix series though... but I'd rather it have the movie budget

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Get the movie budget, get the movie runtime too. Everything is a tradeoff. Or, just because Inhumans was a bad idea to make into a ( sort of, not really ) TV series, doesn't mean its a bad idea to make the Nightstalkers into a TV series ( or a Netflix show, which is not really the same thing ).

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CBS new Stark Trek show is technically a network show and looks like a higher quality production than this.

I think Scott Buck just lacks the imagination to do high concept fantasy entertainment like Inhumans and Iron Fist.
There are better showrunners/directors that can do incredibly creative things with very little money.

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Inhumans Comic con panel tomorrow, I think. Hope they debut the season opener.

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We'll have to see the finished results (I agree about the trailer, but that doesn't say a lot in the long term). The rumored budget for the Star Trek show is appallingly low (like one million per episode) so, if it ends up looking as consistently good as in the trailer, you could color me impressed.

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They need to stop doing Marvel tv shows. Just put the remaining heroes in movies..Blade could be a sweet Netflix series though... but I'd rather it have the movie budget
It's frustrating because it seems like Marvel Netflix are going out of there way to be do shows on a budget.

The lack of super jump sfx in Jessica Jones really pi$$ed me off because supergirl premiered the same time and she was flying every damn week!

Jessica Jones only had to do it twice in 13 episodes and they couldn't even manage that.

ABC and AoS seems to go all out with there sfx which is why I'm baffled by how horrible it looks. Besides Lockjaw. My only guess is that they just didn't have the time to dedicate to the show, because they certainly have the budget.

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CBS new Stark Trek show is technically a network show and looks like a higher quality production than this.

I think Scott Buck just lacks the imagination to do high concept fantasy entertainment like Inhumans and Iron Fist.
There are better showrunners/directors that can do incredibly creative things with very little money.
I agree with this. Network shows have given us CGI sharkmen and Gorillas in the flash. AoS had a flaming skull head that rivaled the movie version.

Budget isn't the problem. It's the lack of understanding of the material, and I also think the insanely small amount of time to to prepare has to play a factor.

They had less than a year to from announcement to delivering a show. This isn't a simple street level romance drama like Cloak and Dagger. It's Game of thrones meets Star Wars. You need ALOT of time to prepare for that.

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Scott Buck with the biggest budget in the world still wouldn't know what to do with it and would still give us something like this series. He just lacks the vision for anything.

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They're looking so much better than before.

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We'll have to see the finished results (I agree about the trailer, but that doesn't say a lot in the long term). The rumored budget for the Star Trek show is appallingly low (like one million per episode) so, if it ends up looking as consistently good as in the trailer, you could color me impressed.
You tangentially made me look up Stargate SG-1. Apparently they averaged 1.7M per episode, and looked really good quality even years later. Granted, they played to their limits, but still.

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It's frustrating because it seems like Marvel Netflix are going out of there way to be do shows on a budget.

The lack of super jump sfx in Jessica Jones really pi$$ed me off because supergirl premiered the same time and she was flying every damn week!

Jessica Jones only had to do it twice in 13 episodes and they couldn't even manage that.

ABC and AoS seems to go all out with there sfx which is why I'm baffled by how horrible it looks. Besides Lockjaw. My only guess is that they just didn't have the time to dedicate to the show, because they certainly have the budget.
Eh, I am 100% certain that "lack of superjumps" was not a budget decision, but a creative one. Jessica Jones and Iron Fist are not analogous in any way.

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