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Old 07-17-2017, 07:20 AM   #251
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How about as multiple companions: a female companion and a new robot dog?

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However, I'm also not going to praise and like the show just because the new Doctor is a woman. If the story doesn't work, I will be honest about it. And to be perfectly frank, I think Doctor Who has been struggling for a while under both Capaldi and Moffat. It was this latest run where I started tuning out.

I'd really like some more subtlety brought back to the show and characters. And not every plot has to be a universe shattering event.
This is what I think everyone needs to keep in mind. The reason Moffat is leaving is cause the show has gotten stale.

Chibnall is going to need to some reinvigorating, whether it was a man or woman cast, to get the show back to higher viewership.

The female 13 is the last thing people should be talking about. Who are the other writers going to be? Newbies? Established Who writers?

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Old 07-17-2017, 08:24 AM   #253
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Seeing people hate on this is making me facepalm. I love it.
Makes James Bond female next please

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Of course people should be going on about a female Who. It's a landmark. That doesn't mean the show's flaws shouldn't also be criticized. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:02 PM   #255
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Of course people should be going on about a female Who. It's a landmark. That doesn't mean the show's flaws shouldn't also be criticized. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Obviously. The problem here is people are treating the casting of a woman as a flaw.

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:33 PM   #256
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See I think the Doctor should comment. Its a thing the Doctor who comment on. Not as a problem of course.

Hoping the Doctor will be too busy to notice at first due to the circumstances of the regeneration, have a very short moment of realization with just an "oh", and then carry on as always.

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:54 PM   #257
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??? I thought he wrote his first appearance?
Yes, but Russell created him.

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Yes, but Russell created him.
As someone with a Batman icon, i'd figure you'd be more sensitive.

Don't "Finger" Moffat out of his due. He's a creator of the character as well.

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As someone with a Batman icon, i'd figure you'd be more sensitive.

Don't "Finger" Moffat out of his due. He's a creator of the character as well.
More sensitive to what?

RTD created Jack, and then had Steven Moffat put him in Empty Child.

Bill Finger created most of the iconic, popular elements of Batman. In the end, all Bob Kane basically offered was the name "Batman".

Now, unless you can tell me that Steven Moffat created most of the iconic elements of Jack's character, equating him to Bill Finger is, no offense, silly.

There's a reason why Moffat doesn't get a "Created by" credit for Jack. Any contributions, beyond writing a script for his boss, must be miniscule, unless there is something I'm missing.

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More sensitive to what?

RTD created Jack, and then had Steven Moffat put him in Empty Child.

Bill Finger created most of the iconic, popular elements of Batman. In the end, all Bob Kane basically offered was the name "Batman".

Now, unless you can tell me that Steven Moffat created most of the iconic elements of Jack's character, equating him to Bill Finger is, no offense, silly.


There's a reason why Moffat doesn't get a "Created by" credit for Jack. Any contributions, beyond writing a script for his boss, must be miniscule, unless there is something I'm missing.
This is complete bull. Are you really arguing that Jack would have turned out exactly the same without Moffat? If Moffat turned down using Jack in his story he still would have become a fan favorite? Are writers just interchangeable cogs in a machine as long as you give them the same pieces to work with? Iconic elements is a relative term especially when you add in the actor/costuming/setting.

I'm not arguing their is some kind of golden ration for what Moffat did with Davies idea. I'm simply said that with Moffat, he likes to have complete control over how his stuff is used.

So yes, Jack is RTDs, and what Moffat wrote for him in Empty/Dances was taken forward with other writers. Maybe not how Moffat would have had he been had he been the only one writing him so he left it alone. The Silence, Weeping Angels, Missy, Me, River Song, he kept control of their stories from beginning to end even though he was showrunner and could have nixed any other writers ideas for them. I guess in his mind, writers will bring their own slant to a story no matter how much you try to steer them.

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Old 07-18-2017, 04:15 AM   #261
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How about as multiple companions: a female companion and a new robot dog?
I'm definitely happy with both those ideas. I reckon they can chuck in a male companion too. Ben Hardy would be really cool.

I wonder what the new thread title will be when 13 arrives?

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I'm not sure if we could get a new K-9 though as a regular. Aren't they quite difficult to animate and control and require multiple takes. Unless someone has figured out how to do it more easily. I don't think pure CGI would quite work as that would be expensive per episode, but they could use it for some shots and then a remote controlled dog the rest of the time.

But I'd definitely like the female companion just to show the potential awkwardness that the doctor has at first. The question is: would the doctor still be attracted to women, having been all these years, or would she now as a woman automatically be attracted to men? Or would it be like the Dax symbiote in Star Trek Deep Space Nine?

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This is what I think everyone needs to keep in mind. The reason Moffat is leaving is cause the show has gotten stale.

Chibnall is going to need to some reinvigorating, whether it was a man or woman cast, to get the show back to higher viewership.

The female 13 is the last thing people should be talking about. Who are the other writers going to be? Newbies? Established Who writers?
This.

Doctor Who has quite frankly been crap for years now. The quality of writing has been poor pretty much throughout Capaldi's run. His Doctor was mishandled from the start, and its only really been this past season that he's been good.

The gender of The Doctor will be completely immaterial if the show does not inject fresh, new and better storylines into it.

And following on from that, if there is a compelling reason for making The Doctor female, and it marks a shift in storytelling for the better, then it's a great decision.

But, if it was purely done to fulfil some ******** equality agenda at the BBC (who are notorious for this kind of thing these days) then I hope it fails, and fails bad. The only thing the show runners should care about is characterisation and story, not whether The Doctor has a penis or a vagina.

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The question is: would the doctor still be attracted to women, having been all these years, or would she now as a woman automatically be attracted to men? Or would it be like the Dax symbiote in Star Trek Deep Space Nine?
I personally always saw the Doctor as a flexible kind of guy. Since 2005 anyway


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The question is: would the doctor still be attracted to women, having been all these years, or would she now as a woman automatically be attracted to men? Or would it be like the Dax symbiote in Star Trek Deep Space Nine?
But is the Doctor really attracted to women even now, or in the recent past, as we understand the term? He never really seeks out romantic relationships, which is what someone with an attraction to one gender or another would be compelled to do.

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But is the Doctor really attracted to women even now, or in the recent past, as we understand the term? He never really seeks out romantic relationships, which is what someone with an attraction to one gender or another would be compelled to do.
I dunno. What's he supposed to be then? Asexual? Obviously, in the really early episodes, with the likes of William Hartnell playing him, he was more of a grandfather figure, so it wouldn't have worked to have him as an old man chasing around his younger companions. Even the later Doctors were considerably older and more avuncular. It's only the more recent ones since the reboot, apart from perhaps Peter Davidson, who have been younger. And then Capaldi has been older again.

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It's been said a few times here that people hope the gender "issue" isn't addressed on the show or is only addressed in passing, but I feel like it HAS to be addressed or at least mentioned quite a bit during this first season with her because the Doctor is known as a man, so it may take some by surprise to see a female face. For example, like someone mentioned before, it would probably be appropriate for someone to think she is the companion before she pulls off some sort of badassery and reveals that she is, in fact, the Doctor. I'm not saying the whole series needs to be "but you're a GIRL now!!!!" but I think if it's not at least addressed at some point on the show, it's going to feel more awkward than it would if it's not addressed. 12 could feel his new kidneys and knew he didn't like the color, so 13 should notice such a drastic anatomical shift.

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This is complete bull. Are you really arguing that Jack would have turned out exactly the same without Moffat? If Moffat turned down using Jack in his story he still would have become a fan favorite? Are writers just interchangeable cogs in a machine as long as you give them the same pieces to work with? Iconic elements is a relative term especially when you add in the actor/costuming/setting.
Um, no. I'm saying the idea that Steven Moffat is comparable to Bill Finger in this scenario is silly, and is a misunderstanding of either man's situation. Moffat isn't Jack's co creator, and does not deserve, nor possess the same level of ownership of the character that RTD does.

It is far more accurate to compare Moffat to Denny O Neil or Frank Miller.

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I don't watch as much as I used to but I'm all for a female Doctor.

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Will we get any scenes of the doctor checking out herself now she has female parts? Who wouldn't do that?

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Will we get any scenes of the doctor checking out herself now she has female parts? Who wouldn't do that?
I don't expect her to THOROUGHLY check out her naughty bits, but it would be funny if she's still b**ching about not being ginger...

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I don't expect her to THOROUGHLY check out her naughty bits, but it would be funny if she's still b**ching about not being ginger...
Why? Does Dr Who want to be a ginger?

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Yes ,for a very long time.

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How come they've never played with the idea of the doctor getting stuck between two regenerations? They've done that in Star Trek where someone has either merged in the transporter or split into two. And in the Incredible Hulk TV series there was an episode where he was stuck halfway between Banner and the Hulk.

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