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Old 07-01-2018, 08:36 PM   #551
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I never got into that mindset, always thought the Nolan trilogy should stay its own thing.

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Old 07-01-2018, 09:10 PM   #552
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To preserve the quality and respect of the story? Yes, it should have always been its own thing. But from a business point of view, WB and the DCEU would have whooped Marvel's ass if they had Nolan running the ship instead of Snyder. They could have said the DCEU started in 2005, 3 years before Marvel. I think that's what Kev was getting at.

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I'm glad Nolan and Bale stepped away when they did, and I'm glad that TDKT is its own thing.

Also grateful for the other films Chris Nolan has been able to make since TDKT, as opposed to running the DCEU or whatever.

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Yup. But i totally see Smith's point of view. Business-wise, the DCEU shot themselves in the foot by starting over with an actor that made ppl go "huh?" right from the start (even if people eventually warmed up to Affleck, it was still a stupid choice to announce a new Batman with an actor that people usually can't stand). Especially since they were going to start him off as the older Batman, which is where Bale's version was at when he hung up the cowl. You add Nolan and Zimmer to the mix, announced as producers and composers for Superman and you have a missed opportunity for Warner Brothers. The level of people they could have reached. The competition with Marvel would have been a real thing. Now here we are, with an amazing closed off trilogy to look back on and watch anytime we please. But at the expense of a crumbling DCEU, which looks like a joke compared to the MCU. It's worth it in the end, but it's still crazy to think about Warner Brothers doing this DCEU thing without Bale's version kickstarting this whole thing. 8 years of development is what it would have been before even meeting the new Superman and Wonder Woman.

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I didn't know WB actually offered Bale the chance to come back. I wonder if they actually drew up a potential contract for him to sign or if it was just a casual suggestion.

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Old 07-02-2018, 03:06 PM   #556
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I appreciate the trilogy being closed off with a definitive end, but there will always be that part of me that wonders what if.

However, all the elements that went into Rises really did close the book on that iteration of the character. Bringing him back from everything that happened in TDKR would just feel forced. I don’t doubt that Nolan being in charge of the whole thing could have made it work, but i’ll Still accept this outcome. A lot of Batman’s villains in the Nolanverse are dead and we’d never get another joker if that were the case, so I’m ok with how things happened.

I just hope to god WB can right the ship. I’m not asking for Begins or TDK level stuff, but just make some movies that all or most people can enjoy. WW was a good start, hopefully they can build on that.

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Yeah. It's not like they needed to keep telling Batman stories with old villains coming back or new ones either. They could have kept Batman as a cross-over tool to set the rest of the universe up, while sticking to their guns about the trilogy standing on its own two feet (with no more solo films). But like Kevin Smith said, Man of Steel was not the Nolan version some of us expected, it definitely turned into more of a Zack Snyder movie. If things had been different on that front, i would liked to have seen different actors for the other superheroes coming into Nolan's DCEU (or simply the DCU). And a different arrangement, meaning no Cyborg until much later (or at all). John Stewart's more serious Green Lantern. A 30 something year old Flash instead of the Peter Parker/Tony Stark crap they were trying to copy. Make a more mature universe that had more bang for its buck while not continuing forever and ever like the MCU tends to do. That's how i saw Nolan's expanded universe working out. Bale would have been the key to tie everything together. No need for Robin movies, Harley Quinn or Joker spin-offs, Suicide Squad should have been launched as a separate entity years later when they figured it out better. More focus on a Superman trilogy and Wonder Woman trilogy. 1 or 2 Justice League movies and call it quits.

Instead they're just fumbling with no direction.

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I was lucky enough to catch a screening of TDK last night at Alamo Drafthouse. 35mm print.

Was such a joy. I'm still a bit of a ways off from getting the 4k system/theater setup I want, so getting to see a film print with the accurate color timing and everything was amazing. I can't claim my eye is perfect for this sort of thing, but it certainly looked a lot closer to the images of the new 4k transfer I've seen than the woefully subpar Blu-ray we've all gotten accustomed to. Also, hearing it with movie theater sound just made me feel like I haven't been experiencing it properly for the past 10 years. Reminds you how visceral an experience it is. And there are so many subtle moments of score/sound design that I barely even noticed were there watching at home on my sound bar, at a "neighbor appropriate" volume.

Older movies in theaters definitely should be more of a common thing. Despite the countless times I've seen the movie, despite how I know it like the back of my hand, it really is like seeing it with fresh eyes again. Audience was great too...lots of laughter at the appropriate moments, and the erupt of applause when Gordon came back brought me right back to the summer of '08.


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It doesn't look like it's gonna happen, but I really, really wish my town would do a screening. We (Nashville) happen to have a film-projecting IMAX theater, and it would be amazing to see the film in that format again. That first time in 2008 in that particular theater is still the best movie-going experience of my life.

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Yeah, ditto for me at the NYC Lincoln Square IMAX. I don't think that will ever be topped. I also really wish for an IMAX rerelease. It seems like such a shame that movies shot specifically for that format to only be showing in it once for all time.

Btw, I visited Nashville for the first time last summer. Had a really lovely time there. Hattie B's

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Michael Jai White Reflects On The Legacy Of ‘The Dark Knight’ And Heath Ledger’s Joker

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When Michael Jai White first signed on to a Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight, he had “no idea” the superhero flick would go down in film history as one of the greats.

A decade ago, it was a small miracle if a comic book movie was good — let alone great. After all, this was the time of jazz-dancing emo Spider-Man and “I’m the juggernaut, b***h” being an actual line dialogue from an X-Men film. If you didn’t come out of the cinema emotionally scarred after watching Reed Richards perform a two-minute boogie in Fantastic Four, that was considered a victory.

Little did audiences know that by the end of summer 2008, the movie landscape would be irrevocably changed.

Marvel’s first instalment in its now iconic cinematic universe — Iron Man — dropped in May 2008, with a career-saving performance from Robert Downey Jr in a flick that no one expected to be as excellent as it was. Just two months later in July, DC’s call and response was The Dark Knight: a film that surpassed ‘excellent’ and became ‘classic’.

“I had no idea what it would become,” Michael Jai White tells Junkee, having signed on to the movie when its title was just ‘Batman Begins sequel’. “I had my particular part, but you’re not really connected to everything else that’s going on. I knew it was a massive movie, but I had no idea it would be that successful.”

The Making Of Jai White
White had been on big movies before: he was the first African American to play a superhero in a comic book blockbuster, with Spawn in 1997. But like a handful of its peers — Darkman, The Phantom, Tank Girl, The Crow, Blade — Spawn was treated more as a cult film than mainstream hit.

A martial arts expert and stunt choreographer, the 50-year old made a name for himself in the industry by leaning into his area of expertise. As well as parts in action gems like Universal Soldier and Exit Wounds, his massive frame had seen him play Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali in the lead up to landing The Dark Knight. He was also somewhat of a DC superhero vet, having voiced everyone from Superman villain Doomsday to Green Lantern John Stewart in various animated projects for the company

When he got “offered” the part of Gambol by director Christopher Nolan — “I didn’t audition” — it was a world that White was already very familiar with. A rival gangster to the Joker’s anarchic uprising in the criminal underworld, his role was a tough character in a movie full of tough characters, which he says was part of the appeal.

“The Dark Knight is dark,” he laughs. “There’s certain movies where people can live vicariously through really dark and tough characters. That’s why movies from the Charles Bronson days endure, where you have these iconically great characters.”

Him And Heath
And no character was more iconic or darker than Heath Ledger’s infamous turn as the Joker. All of White’s scenes in The Dark Knight were shared with Ledger, which he said was a coup given that even at 28, the Aussie was “such an established actor”.

“Heath was a really nice guy, he was so generous and open,” says White. “He actually asked my opinion of different takes that he did, which was really unique.”

The scene where the Joker first mutters the phrase “why so serious” was one that relied heavily on the chemistry between Ledger and White. After an earlier encounter where the Joker disposes of one of Gambol’s henchmen with a macabre magic trick, there’s a price on the Batman villain’s head: one that the clown price of crime uses as a way to slip through Gambol’s defences.

On paper it would be hard to believe that Ledger’s sinewy frame could be intimidating to someone of White’s six foot, 100kg stature, so to make the tension palpable it all came down to how they were able to bounce off each other.

“There was this one modulation of his voice that he did where I said to him ‘wow, that is really creepy — I don’t have to act much with that’,” says White.

“When you go to that register, it makes me really wonder where the hell did this guy come from? He said ‘oh, you think so?’. I replied ‘yeah, I like that Heath’. That was the take they used in the movie. He was really playful and really tried experimenting with the way he was doing the character: it was quite fun to watch him do that.”

On camera his character might have been insane, smeared in face paint and dripping with malice, but off camera White says the cast and crew saw a different side of Ledger.

“There were moments when we would cut and the cameras would turn off and he was just clowning around. In actuality, I was kind of an amateur magician at the time and so was he. We would be doing card tricks between takes or trying to show each other sleight of hand techniques.”

From “magic tricks” to skateboarding around on set, Ledger was a unique presence on The Dark Knight and one that couldn’t have been further from the movie’s grim narrative.

The ‘Dark Knight’s Legacy
The Dark Knight became the first superhero movie to truly penetrate on a critical scale. It broke box-office records — a victory for any studio — but it also changed the Academy Awards forever.

When the nominations were announced at the start of 2009 and The Dark Knight wasn’t listed among the best picture nods — despite scoring nominations in nine other categories — there was an uproar so loud the Academy eventually broadened the Oscars main category field. They made it so that anything from five to ten films could be nominated for best picture any given year, in something punters dubbed ‘The Dark Knight effect’.

At the time, legendary film critic Roger Ebert said the film could “redefine the possibilities of the comic book movie”.

Although he didn’t have any sense of the film’s significance during the shoot, White says he’s not surprised by The Dark Knight’s enduring legacy as it comes up to film’s tenth anniversary.

“It was tremendous,” he says of the finished product. “Just the structure of the movie and everything, what Heath did in counter balance to Christian Bale, I mean, those two guys … how could you not watch that over and over? It was a classic kind of pairing.

“Of course Heath played one of the best bad guys ever. Sometimes your movie is as good as the bad guy and that? Well, it was one of the best bad guys ever.”

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That's one of my favorite Batman shots from any film. Awesome imagery.


And that was a cool article with Michael Jai White.

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Oh man. I keep doubling down on my hunch that Last Skywalker is milost and hinting to him that I know who he is.

I'll feel really dumb if it's just some other guy, but either way that particular ruthless debating style just feels way too familiar and creepy. My lobster senses are tingling.

It should be noted that this guy once bragged about having dozens of accounts, multiple IPs, and intentionally playing both sides of a debate with the various accounts. I'm going out on a limb here, but it's entirely feasible.


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Bah milost….I miss Tacit Ronin!

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Aw, Tacit.

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I am sure Tacit is still around here in one form or another.

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So now Kevin Smith is on the same page as some of us, when it comes to the "i think the DCEU should have used Bale/Nolan's continuity moving into Man of Steel" way of thinking (instead of starting over and trying to play catch-up to Marvel).
I've been saying it for years (as I'm sure you and Joker will recall the relevant thread I started). It just needed the correct creative team behind it. Sure, it absolutely would have led to a different DCCU, but I have little doubt it would be far superior to the one we currently have.

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The thing is, you can't really blame WB for that one. I am sure that was their first choice. Nolan just had no interest, and Bale wasn't gonna do it without him being involved. It's DOA right there.

The only chance it would've had would've been if Goyer had convinced Nolan when they were first coming up with the idea to do a Superman film. But part of the whole appeal to Nolan was that they were two separate universes. He said that in the very first interview about it. He was pretty adamantly against the crossover concept.

As much as I adore TDKT, Nolan did leave WB at a bit of a dead end there. But in fairness, at the time nobody had a clue how wildly successful Marvel's universe was going to be. A lot of people thought The Avengers was going to be a disaster. Had that first Avengers film come out in 2010 or something, I'm not so sure WB would've let Nolan close the door on his universe so firmly.

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The world Nolan envisioned from the get-go didn't feel like something with enough wiggle room for the supernatural. Everything was rationalized to be feasible within real-world limitations especially for villains like Ra's & Bane.

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