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And Wonder Man lost against Champion in a fair match although Wonder Man is stronger than Ben.
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While I agree with the Hulk needing to be fleshed out, I completely disagree with your assessment of Banner. IMO, the films haven't worked better precisely because the audience hasn't cared about Banner enough.

The one thing the TV show got right was the depiction of Banner, particularly in the Pilot,
Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either. Didn't it only appear in the top 25 once? (And this was back in the late 70s/early 80s when it was easier to make the top 25)

I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.

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Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either.
Baloney, I grew up in the 70's and it was a HUGE hit.

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Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either. Didn't it only appear in the top 25 once? (And this was back in the late 70s/early 80s when it was easier to make the top 25)

I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.
The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.

Further, Banner hasn't connected with the audience precisely because of what I suggested numerous times in here. They've portrayed him much more stale and one note than need be. Bixby showed charisma, presence, intelligence and angst all at the same time. The films tried to hammer home the repressed emotions to the point of the character being devoid of any real personality.

Bixby's Banner still was a human being, he would still flirt, still crack jokes and interact with people, its what made him a real, relatable person you sympathized with because you could feel how much better his life would be with a cure, and you knew ultimately he wouldn't get it and be forced to leave town, yet again.

These films have actually cheapened the character enough already by having a different actor each time. Add to that the boring portrayals and yeah, I wouldn't care either, what was there to care about? But to separate the two fundamentally, at least IMO, makes the Hulk just another monster, and one that's considerably less interesting...

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The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.
I spent many a Friday night at my grandparents house watching the Incredible Hulk followed by the Dukes of Hazzard and then Dallas. Good times.

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The idea of getting a Hulk film made correctly from my view is to first make the character of Banner interesting. I don't know where some people are getting their info from, but the Incredible Hulk TV show was successful in it's time and ran for about 5 seasons due to the fact that Bill Bixby's Banner was INTERESTING. He was well fleshed out and very genuine. I don't say that he has said all their is to say about the Banner character, but he has done the best job to date. Banner can't be this moping milksop as that gets tired fast. Bixby's Banner had his issues and aim, but tended to act noble when the situations needed a level head.

Writers and directors of the films and TV Hulk on the other hand have entirely missed the boat on him. I feel that they think that Hulk fans are simple and get a kick out of just seeing some green monster smash something. WRONG!!! I get a kick out of Hulk's personality and why he smashes what he decides to smash. Hulk is NOT some primal instinctive smashing machine...not the Hulk I enjoy. Hulk has a unique view on life, and regardless of what some of you post and have been stating, he's not stupid. Even the Savage Hulk, who is child-like could learn, so unless you consider being ignorant or children stupid, I think you should reassess your thinking. This is where it gets complex. Depending on which personality Hulk manifests, they all have different levels of reasoning, but some incarnations have been shown to access Banner's intelligence...but they just don't seem to care to.

Point being Hulk needs to be able to voice his mind, though he doesn't care to speak much...but that's by choice. Hulk is more of the action speaks louder than words type.

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I spent many a Friday night at my grandparents house watching the Incredible Hulk followed by the Dukes of Hazzard and then Dallas. Good times.
Absolutely! Bixby actually scared the hell out of me way more than he was supposed to, but still to this day that show resonants with people primarily because of him, not Lou in terrible wigs & green slippers jogging down the street.

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Point being Hulk needs to be able to voice his mind, though he doesn't care to speak much...but that's by choice. Hulk is more of the action speaks louder than words type.
Agreed, and this is also why I hope if he ever gets another solo film they finally use a different incarnation. That could be the plot in and of itself, Banner does another experiment and unleashes another Hulk, whether its the Gray Hulk, Professor, whoever, it would allow for something different, and in turn, allow another side of the Hulk most people in the general public don't even know exist.

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I don't know where some people are getting their info from, but the Incredible Hulk TV show was successful in it's time
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1977.htm
Not in the top 25 for 77-78 (The Incredible Hulk #26)
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1978.htm
Not in the top 30 for 78-79
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1979.htm
Not in the top 30 for 79-80
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1980.htm
Not in the top 30 for 80-81
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1981.htm
Not in the top 30 for 81-82

I think comic fans think that show was a much bigger hit than it really was. I was the biggest Hulk fan going and I was excited about it too...until I saw it. It could not be termed a "hit"....it just managed to hang on long enough to get some faulty ideas about the character into the general consciousness.

I was just reading about that show....the TV producers wanted to make the Hulk red for a while! Oh my god...just how clueless were they? They called Banner "David" because they thought Bruce was "too gay sounding".

I can't take anything serious about that show.

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Damn you're taking me back except I didn't care for Dallas.

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for once...i'd like to see banner running across the field to try and save rick jones...enough with this gamma experimentation on banner. enough with him sitting on that chair. let's do it how it was written.

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The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.
Agree with that. Many elements of the TV did make it into pop culture. (Just like the box office underperforming movies) The general public scratched their heads when the Hulk was "flying" in Ang Lee's movie (I actually heard people put it that way). There are also many people who think it's just not possible to have the Hulk speak more than a couple of words in his own movie despite other successful monstrous characters who speak. I also think the general public now believes the Hulk is only a minor character in the story and that Banner is what they will have to sit through for 95% of the time. ("Yay! Can we go see that movie about the boring scientist guy?")

I'm pretty sure I'll hate that TV show forever for what it did to the Hulk character. Spider-man got so lucky...his show (made by the same "creative team") failed so badly it didn't air long enough to make Spidey a mute (which he also was in that TV show...what the hell was going on with those TV people?).
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Further, Banner hasn't connected with the audience precisely because of what I suggested numerous times in here. They've portrayed him much more stale and one note than need be. Bixby showed charisma, presence, intelligence and angst all at the same time. The films tried to hammer home the repressed emotions to the point of the character being devoid of any real personality.

Bixby's Banner still was a human being, he would still flirt, still crack jokes and interact with people, its what made him a real, relatable person you sympathized with because you could feel how much better his life would be with a cure, and you knew ultimately he wouldn't get it and be forced to leave town, yet again.

These films have actually cheapened the character enough already by having a different actor each time. Add to that the boring portrayals and yeah, I wouldn't care either, what was there to care about? But to separate the two fundamentally, at least IMO, makes the Hulk just another monster, and one that's considerably less interesting...
Bixby did have more charisma than those who've played Banner in the movies so far...I agree with that. But then again....Bixby seems less like the comic Banner than the others to me. Odd that the movies are more faithful to Banner than they are to the Hulk. The TV show ignored everything.

Hard to imagine the Hulk being less interesting frankly. I also can't really accept something which has not been tried. When the Hulk is a real character and the public still yawns, then I'll say the public is not interested in him.

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People who compares Bixby as Banner with the cinematic counterparts usually forget the actor (every actor) in a tv series has a lot more time to show his character, to really develop it, and find the right balance of emotions and characteristics.
I don't, I'm talking strictly the Pilot, which to me is still his finest work on the show (maybe put The Married Episodes too) and easily outclasses both film iterations IMO.

The Hyperbaric Chamber experiment in the Pilot alone shows a full range of emotions. The anticipation that he's on the right track, anger at Elaina not wanting to do it, frustration when it fails and ultimately the hope they instill in each other, punctuated by a touch separated by glass. I could feel his dire situation in that one scene more than anything in either feature film. And that's why the whole thing works, not Ferrigno. Not in the slightest. And a pure cgi creation without that emotional investment is even worse.

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http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1977.htm
Not in the top 25 for 77-78 (The Incredible Hulk #26)
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1978.htm
Not in the top 30 for 78-79
http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1979.htm
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http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/1981.htm
Not in the top 30 for 81-82

I think comic fans think that show was a much bigger hit than it really was. I was the biggest Hulk fan going and I was excited about it too...until I saw it. It could not be termed a "hit"....it just managed to hang on long enough to get some faulty ideas about the character into the general consciousness.

I was just reading about that show....the TV producers wanted to make the Hulk red for a while! Oh my god...just how clueless were they? They called Banner "David" because they thought Bruce was "too gay sounding".

I can't take anything serious about that show.
I saw you the first time when you spoke of ratings...but that does not tell the entire story. The TV show has been in re-runs and spun of three more television movies since it was cancelled. If it didn't have a successful impact, then you'll have to explain your view.

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Even if it was judged by the original pilot movie alone...Bill Bixby blows both Bana and Norton away.

It took me years to realize that to date the original television movie is my favorite Hulk film.

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I know a Planet Hulk movie has the potential to be great. The budget would be immense and it'd be a huge risky undertaking.

I think it would definitely pay off but the chances are slim. I'd love for it to happen.

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I think it would definitely pay off but the chances are slim. I'd love for it to happen.
I'd love to see a Planet Hulk film, I've actually been saying that for quite some time now.

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I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.
True. The general audience seems to really like Hulk, or else he wouldn't be one of Marvel's most iconic heroes. I think we should get a REAL Hulk movie where Banner is a side character. It'd be a nice change of pace.

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True. The general audience seems to really like Hulk, or else he wouldn't be one of Marvel's most iconic heroes. I think we should get a REAL Hulk movie where Banner is a side character. It'd be a nice change of pace.
Banner shouldn't be a side character. Banner and Hulk need to be costars. They both need equal screen time. So far Hulk movies are about Banner and the Hulk only comes out when the action starts and then goes away when when the story needs to continue. I believe that banner should have his time but when the Hulk comes out she should stay out for a while and interact with people and his environment. The problem is that most people don't understand the Hulk and aren't capable of writing for him. Most people will just reference the old 70's Hulk series for inspiration.

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Hey at least they did more with there budget regarding the special effects than Superman Returns did. There budge vanished into nothingness. The only think i can think of is that most of ther budget was blown making that Kryptonite continent.

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Hey at least they did more with there budget regarding the special effects than Superman Returns did. There budge vanished into nothingness. The only think i can think of is that most of ther budget was blown making that Kryptonite continent.
Don't forget about the airplane rescue, I'm sure that scene was pretty expensive as well.

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