How would Bales Batman react to Jacks Joker and Keatons B-Man to Ledgers Joker?

[Superman Prime]

Originally Posted by the GRIN Reaper

How? Ledger's Joker was much more unpredictable, had no previous alias, was harder to locate, was more intelligent, and didn't have sane motivations or rationales like over throwing heavyweight mob bosses ... winning over women ... or throwing announced parades on major city streets. Ledger's Joker created true mayhem. How would he have been offed in the first act? Keaton's Batman had to wait to the 3rd act to try an off the Joker that killed his parents. And that Joker isn't near the PHYSICAL threat Ledger's Joker is ... nor is he even close to the CEREBRAL and MIND F UCK threat that Ledger's Joker was.

Harder to locate at certain times. Easily accessible at others. The scenario I see is Ledger's Joker crashing the party at Wayne Manor, in order to find Harvey Dent (or any of a thousand reasons for crashing it).

Thus, Keaton Bruce Wayne puts on the batsuit, faces off with the Joker, and I believe B89 Bats would make it a point to kill the Joker right then and there.

[metalhead_dave]

Originally Posted by Evil_Meanie

I guess I just don't follow your logic.

In my mind, I think that its a greater display of determination and *ahem* toughness to walk away from a plane crash, climb to the top of a cathedral, and beat the hell out of a few people before you take down The Joker.

Of course, I'm definitely not implying that Bale is an inferior Batman, I'm just saying..the way people harp on the Ray Charles guy beating up Keaton after a plane crash is pretty annoying, considering the fact that Bale's Batman has more or less lost the final fight scenes in both of his movies.

I'm not harping on Keaton's determination. I'm just trying to say that it is a different kind of fighting between Keaton and Bale. Keaton's Batman seemed to have more of the traditional super hero/action movie fights while Bale's seemed to have more of the "Bourne Identity(for lack of a better term)" style of fighting where he just easily owns the goons.

Personally I like the latter version of fighting applied to Batman. I think Bale looked like a total badass doing all that. I find it so cool to see him tear into the badguys like that.

I had a really hard time following the fight scenes in Begins, so I got no real pleasure out of seeing Batman take out multiple people in seconds. I noticed him doing it a few times in The Dark Knight, but to be honest with you, it just didn't really grab my attention. It didn't have an "epic" feeling, if that makes any sense.

Hey, to each his own for the most part. But if gliding across the Hong Kong skyline to crash through a window and then take down a guy and send him through a glass wall isn't epic, I don't know what is.

Frankly, I remember shaking my head in amazement at how easily Ra's seemed to own Batman in Begins. He's clearly just going to town on him in the monorail, it's not until Batman pulls the whole "mind your surroundings!" thing at the end that he turns it around.

Dude, you should watch the fight again because it was pretty back and forth. Batman shattered his sword, gave him some good kicks, pounced on him, threw him around and gave him some good punches in the face. And still when Ras was on top of him and Batman turned the tables, Batman was still able to swap positions with Ras and get on top. I'd say it was a pretty even fight.

Come to think of it, the ending fight with The Joker in The Dark Knight was pretty much the same deal. Batman gets owned through the whole thing, pinned to the ground, taunted, and then he pulls something out of nowhere to turn things around.

That was more of a struggle than a fight, and it's pretty much the only way a Batman/Joker confrontation can go WITHOUT Batman totally kicking his ass. Honestly, I wish I saw Batman get more than a kick in, but Joker just got the early advantage with the dogs and the pipe and such.

I'm not about to sit here and go over all of their various encounters, but the fact is that Batman in the comics has an easier time with Ra's than Bale's Batman in the movies. Comic book Ra's gets really angry and says some cryptic stuff, but when it comes to a fight, Batman more or less hands him his ass

That's the thing though, there HAVE been various encounters. Ras has been around since the seventies. There have been enough encounters where they have fought pretty evenly.

[TheWatcher]

This is a great thread idea. I think Keatons Batman wold kill Ledgers Joker and Bales Batman would thrash Jacks Joker.

[DACrowe]

If we're going to assume that each Joker would try to execute their same plans in the opposite Gothams, this is how I see it playing out:

Nicholson's Joker would never exist as Bale's Batman wouldn't have let him fall in the vat of chemicals. If you give them that mulligan, Oldman's Gordon and his much more proactive cops would have gotten warrants to go into Axis Chemicals given the videos he released were clearly Napier and they were being poisoned by chemicals. That or Batman would have stopped them at the museum instead of running away with Vale.

Ledger's Joker would succeed at killing judges and police commissioners even easier than he did in TDK. But when he crashes a Bruce Wayne party to kill Harvey Dent, while he probably would succeed at icing Dent (and probably more members of the party) while Keaton's Batman took his sweet time waiting until AFTER the crime, Keaton's Batman would show up just in time to save the damsel and then break Joker's neck without a second thought.

My quick estimations.

[ALP]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

If we're going to assume that each Joker would try to execute their same plans in the opposite Gothams, this is how I see it playing out:

Nicholson's Joker would never exist as Bale's Batman wouldn't have let him fall in the vat of chemicals. If you give them that mulligan, Oldman's Gordon and his much more proactive cops would have gotten warrants to go into Axis Chemicals given the videos he released were clearly Napier and they were being poisoned by chemicals. That or Batman would have stopped them at the museum instead of running away with Vale.

Ledger's Joker would succeed at killing judges and police commissioners even easier than he did in TDK. But when he crashes a Bruce Wayne party to kill Harvey Dent, while he probably would succeed at icing Dent (and probably more members of the party) while Keaton's Batman took his sweet time waiting until AFTER the crime, Keaton's Batman would show up just in time to save the damsel and then break Joker's neck without a second thought.

My quick estimations.

"COME ON! HIT ME!"

Keaton's Batman would have mowed his ass down

[kewlmatto]

Interesting thread.

I would have liked to see how Keaton's Batman dealt with a more ideological, cerebral villain like Heath's Joker, with his more measured belief in utter anarchy as a principle rather than mere fun. Keaton never quite had the kind of villain to philosophise like that - although they came close at times.

Been trying to make Black Mask in my fanfic script a bit like a 'what if Keaton met Heath's Joker' to an extent - at least the anarchy side of it.

I think ultimately yes, Keaton's Batman would have taken more of a wait-and-bait approach rather than the confrontational Bale Batman.

And that's where it may have been quite interesting on the other side of the coin - Nicholson's Joker craved attention so much - I think he would have really liked the way Bale's Batman gives him that attention.

Nicholson's Joker was more annoyed by Keaton's Batman, because of that hide, wait, attack methodology.