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Old 01-01-2018, 07:30 AM   #101
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*cough* On the matter of magic, once again, the idea that Marvel, or Marvel TV, has a ban on magic is complete nonsense. Marvel TV itself has already had tons of magic, both on the Defenders shows and on Agents of SHIELD.
They've had magic, but the magic was explained by science. In Agents of SHIELD, it was drawing energy from another dimension (same as Doctor Strange). Defenders appeared to be science, just the science of harnessing your Chi or the science of harvesting alien creatures known as dragons.

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Old 01-02-2018, 09:50 AM   #102
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They've had magic, but the magic was explained by science. In Agents of SHIELD, it was drawing energy from another dimension (same as Doctor Strange). Defenders appeared to be science, just the science of harnessing your Chi or the science of harvesting alien creatures known as dragons.
Again, so what? If your definition of "magic" is "cannot be analyzed or examined by science at all", your definition is laughable and useless. Your literally making an argument that a book that turns people evil and breaks the laws of reality, and a *literal demon from hell*. . . do not qualify as magic. Because, apparently, if a scientist can enter the room and not have their head explode, it "doesn't count".

As for the showrunner interview, the showrunner can also say the sky is purple pokadots. This mainly just proves that showrunners are capable of talking nonsense. When what they say directly contradicts what is shown on screen, it doesn't make the stuff on screen suddenly not exist.

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I think you're misinterpreting it. It sounds like you're defining magic differently from the showrunners and the showrunners have no problem having magic as you define it. They only said Marvel requires magic to have at least as much explanation as that in Agents of SHIELD, Doctor Strange, or Thor.

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Old 01-02-2018, 01:22 PM   #104
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I think you're misinterpreting it. It sounds like you're defining magic differently from the showrunners and the showrunners have no problem having magic as you define it. They only said Marvel requires magic to have at least as much explanation as that in Agents of SHIELD, Doctor Strange, or Thor.
Which is still stupid. Just let magic be ****ing magic.

They also took out the main thing that made the Staff of One interesting--the whole schtick that you can only cast each spell once. Or at least they haven't gotten to it yet, but it doesn't really seem to be on their radar to include. Especially since it's basically a big science stick now instead of a magic wand.

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Old 01-02-2018, 06:29 PM   #105
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Yeah, I noticed what seems to be a lot of reused spells, which I agree is a pretty big change to make it less interesting.

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Old 01-05-2018, 04:00 AM   #106
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I haven't read the comics yet and have been enjoying the show so far but all i hear so far about the source material makes me slightly disappointed by what's happening on the show. It's the same kind of disappointment i had with Luke Cage. Seems like they took elements from the comics but droped what made them unique. From what i've been hearing (if the comics are indeed that good), the only thing the show has been doing better is make the parents relatable. But that kind of gets wasted with Jonah being the true leader. So far, he's unrelatable and unquestionably evil. Not making the parents literal super-villains also is to me like droping the "Hero for Hire" aspect from Luke Cage: A gigantic missed oportunity.

Overall i'm enjoying the show and dig the style, but i also wonder how much better the concept might have worked as a film.

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Old 01-05-2018, 05:23 AM   #107
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I think you're misinterpreting it. It sounds like you're defining magic differently from the showrunners and the showrunners have no problem having magic as you define it. They only said Marvel requires magic to have at least as much explanation as that in Agents of SHIELD, Doctor Strange, or Thor.
So then why didn't they explain it in a similar way to SHIELD or Doctor Strange? Why have all the stuff about neural pathways and electrical currents if it would suffice to say that it reads her mind and creates certain effects. They can be from different dimensions or whatever, but why try to ground it in real-life physics if it so obviously doesn't follow those and that extent of explanation was not necessary in all those other things?

Once again I will keep my headcanon that Tina is simply trying to keep the existence of paraphysical magic forces a secret by explaining it away or omitting it from her explanation (if the staff is at least partly technological).

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She might not even have lied.
She is deliberately vague with "made that happen" and only proclaims "it is science". Since magic is , while different from physics, still scientific in a way, and she omitted any explanation as to how the staff actually produces such effects, I choose to believe it's still magic, even if I dislike the attempt to explain it using random physical terms to an extent.


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Old 01-05-2018, 09:32 AM   #108
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I think the lack of details, to a significant degree, is to its benefit at having some kind of quasi-magical explanation. The only thing explained is how it responds to Nico's thoughts, not how it does what it does.

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Old 01-06-2018, 10:56 AM   #109
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The core of the problem is not "its impossible to handle magic on this show". The core of the problem is that the showrunner is convinced, or at least makes statements claiming, that the show isn't allowed to have magic, and thus isn't showing magic. And the logic he provides for such is laughable nonsense.

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I haven't read the comics yet and have been enjoying the show so far but all i hear so far about the source material makes me slightly disappointed by what's happening on the show. It's the same kind of disappointment i had with Luke Cage. Seems like they took elements from the comics but droped what made them unique. From what i've been hearing (if the comics are indeed that good), the only thing the show has been doing better is make the parents relatable. But that kind of gets wasted with Jonah being the true leader. So far, he's unrelatable and unquestionably evil. Not making the parents literal super-villains also is to me like droping the "Hero for Hire" aspect from Luke Cage: A gigantic missed oportunity.

Overall i'm enjoying the show and dig the style, but i also wonder how much better the concept might have worked as a film.
They are getting to the hero for hire aspect of Luke Cage. The showrunners gave Cage a character arc with him starting out as a reluctant hero and eventually becoming the cage we know from the comics. The show just didn't follow the comic route of having him get out of jail and almost instantaneously decide to become a super hero for hire after being rewarded for doing a good deed.

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Old 01-08-2018, 03:21 PM   #111
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Season 2. While I don't follow or watch the show, renewal is renewal.

http://deadline.com/2018/01/marvels-...-2-1202238683/

Marvel’s Runaways, from Marvel and ABC Signature Studios, and Future Man, from Sony TV Studios, have both been picked up for 13 episodes.

In Runaways, every teenager thinks their parents are evil. What if you found out they actually were? Marvel’s Runaways is the story of six diverse teenagers who can barely stand each other but who must unite against a common foe – their parents. The season finale airs on January 9th.

In Future Man, Josh Hutcherson stars as “Josh Futturman,” a janitor by day/gamer by night who is recruited by mysterious visitors to travel through time in order to prevent the extinction of humanity.

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Old 01-08-2018, 03:43 PM   #112
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Which is still stupid. Just let magic be ****ing magic.

They also took out the main thing that made the Staff of One interesting--the whole schtick that you can only cast each spell once. Or at least they haven't gotten to it yet, but it doesn't really seem to be on their radar to include. Especially since it's basically a big science stick now instead of a magic wand.
Scientists trying to explain magic in a scientific context? Sounds about right.

In most cases magic has an explanation.
In wheel of time you have sadin and sadar which are tapped from the source.
In forgotten realms you have the weave.
In riftwars cycle it comes from sub atomic particles called stuff by nakor.

In most cases of fiction there is an explanation for where magic comes from, how it is controlled and rules.

It would be pretty clear to me that if magic existed in our world we would try and explain it in scientific terms. Doesn't take anything away from it.

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While I am happy that the show is renewed for a second season, I hope the pacing improves. It seems like it might now that most secrets are out. In any case, I hope Victor Mancha is introduced next season.

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Old 01-08-2018, 05:30 PM   #114
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Nice. This show is awesome.

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Old 01-09-2018, 02:07 AM   #115
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Watching the final episode now...
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I guess the fact that Loeb said this was more connected to the Netflix series has more worried about what's in that hole.


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I really enjoyed the finale. They FINALLY RAN AWAY! I'm eager to see where they take it next season. I do fear that it's a light dragon down in the hole... but I'm happy with the whole character dynamics that have come together finally.
People doubting others, we have someone reporting back to Jonah. Old Lace is named! Karolina wears an outfit STRAIGHT from the comic. I hope we don't have to wait too long for season 2!


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That was a quick renewal, LOL! But, good for the show. I will watch it. I hope season 2 moves quicker, though.

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That was a quick renewal, LOL! But, good for the show. I will watch it. I hope season 2 moves quicker, though.
i kinda doubt it since season 2 has 13 episodes as opposed to 10. And considering one of the complaints about the Netflix series is the pacing... plus unlike Netflix, Hulu releases each episode weekly instead of all at once so there’s no option to binge the series until the end. Still maybe it’ll go the Luke Cage route and have 2 arcs, each 6-7 episodes. Might help the pacing a bit.

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Old 01-09-2018, 10:47 AM   #118
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This is probably an unfair comparison, but I'm 5 episodes into The Magicians and it's everything I wish Runaways was. It has the right balance of drama, spectacle, social and emotional issues, cast chemistry and mystery.

I'm still some what of a Runaways fan, but the show needs some maintenance going into season 2.

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That was a lame glow-off between Karolina and her dad. I still feel like they neutered pretty much everything that made the comics interesting.

My only hope for season two is that it's the actual Gibborim down the hole. It would at least make the sour taste of Jonah a little more palatable.

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I'd have to imagine it's exactly that down the hole given the way they've presented it. Whether they show it is the better question, which is probably one of budget and effects as much as desire.

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If they can make a dinosaur look as good as they did with their budget, I don't think it would be a problem.

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Old Lace looked great for TV just like Lockjaw.

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Old Lace looked great for TV just like Lockjaw.
Lockjaw looked like garbage, like most of Inhumans. Felt like they had 10$ in budget. Meanwhile Runaways had a dinosaur that looked fantastic.

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Well at least Karolina wore a more comic inspired outfit but I'm still not happy she never got her flip flops.

And finally they're running away. But are the parents going to end up as runaways too?

And who framed the runaways for the murder of Destiny?

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Well at least Karolina wore a more comic inspired outfit but I'm still not happy she never got her flip flops.

And finally they're running away. But are the parents going to end up as runaways too?

And who framed the runaways for the murder of Destiny?
If we are going to go the foot fetish way, Nico and Karolina were barefoot a ton during the season, no? And the framing was totally from the Wilders. God I hate them. Hypocrites.

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