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Old 07-06-2017, 05:34 PM   #26
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This is really just part of North Korea's longterm survival strategy. If they can hit America, then the United States will unable to take military action against them.
But what does that get them? The US will still be in the South. They still won't have bargaining power for whatever. It will just end up being a nuclear powered country with sanctions.

Is China okay with nuclear missile armed NK?

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Old 07-07-2017, 09:46 AM   #27
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But what does that get them? The US will still be in the South. They still won't have bargaining power for whatever. It will just end up being a nuclear powered country with sanctions.

Is China okay with nuclear missile armed NK?
Well if they did attack the US, China can claim their innocence and blame Trump for inciting NK beyond either China nor Russia's ability to rein them in...

As long as those missiles aren't aimed at them should they be worried?

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China is basically a somewhat more tolerant NK as far as their government goes. As mentioned as long as they ain't bugging them they're cool. Now if Kim wants to start dick swinging towards China they will hurt them.

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Old 07-07-2017, 03:55 PM   #29
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But what does that get them? The US will still be in the South. They still won't have bargaining power for whatever. It will just end up being a nuclear powered country with sanctions.

Is China okay with nuclear missile armed NK?
It guarantees them security from the United States. Do you think the United States would have deposed Saddam if Iraq nuclear weapons? Having nukes means the United States will be unable to invade or topple the regime.

I am sure China isn't thrilled with the situation, but North Korea is still dependent on Beijing for economic support which gives them a lot of leverage. I think in the long run, North Korea will prove to be a liability and a headache for China especially if relations sour.

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Old 07-07-2017, 05:35 PM   #30
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This is really just part of North Korea's longterm survival strategy. If they can hit America, then the United States will unable to take military action against them.
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It guarantees them security from the United States. Do you think the United States would have deposed Saddam if Iraq nuclear weapons? Having nukes means the United States will be unable to invade or topple the regime.

I am sure China isn't thrilled with the situation, but North Korea is still dependent on Beijing for economic support which gives them a lot of leverage. I think in the long run, North Korea will prove to be a liability and a headache for China especially if relations sour.
How does nuking the U.S. guarantee them security? If they try to nuke the U.S. they will fail, because of our defenses, and then the U.S. will retaliate aggressively. Probably by removing the Jong-un regime whether China likes it or not.

Even if they managed to nuke the West Coast that would in no way stop us from retaliating. The center of our government is on the East Coast and our missile silos are in the Midwest. Hell, even if they somehow managed to nuke Washington it wouldn't stop us from retaliating, because the US government and military have contingency plans in case of every imaginable missile attack.

I'd go so far as to say, them having nukes wouldn't stop us from invading, because their nukes pose very little actual threat to the U.S.. If the U.S. military wants to or needs to invade a place, it's going to invade. Nukes be damned.

By the way, the U.S. just announced that it will be testing a missile defense system, THAAD, because of NK's stupidity.

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The test will be the first of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) to defend against a simulated attack by an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM), one of the officials said. The THAAD interceptors will be fired from Alaska.

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Old 07-07-2017, 07:10 PM   #31
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How does nuking the U.S. guarantee them security? If they try to nuke the U.S. they will fail, because of our defenses, and then the U.S. will retaliate aggressively. Probably by removing the Jong-un regime whether China likes it or not.

Even if they managed to nuke the West Coast that would in no way stop us from retaliating. The center of our government is on the East Coast and our missile silos are in the Midwest. Hell, even if they somehow managed to nuke Washington it wouldn't stop us from retaliating, because the US government and military have contingency plans in case of every imaginable missile attack.

I'd go so far as to say, them having nukes wouldn't stop us from invading, because their nukes pose very little actual threat to the U.S.. If the U.S. military wants to or needs to invade a place, it's going to invade. Nukes be damned.

By the way, the U.S. just announced that it will be testing a missile defense system, THAAD, because of NK's stupidity.
Let me clarify. The reason North Korea wants nuclear weapons is not to nuke the United States. They want them as a deterrent. The United States will not take military action against North Korea if they have nuclear weapons. At least not for the sake of regime change. There is a reason two nuclear powers have never gone to war.

Even if North Korea cannot hit the United States - a fact which may change very soon - it would be insane for the United States to invade North Korea. Seoul would be reduced to a smoldering crater in a matter of minutes. These recent tests also mean that North Korea could target major cities in Japan as well as American installations. If Kim know his regime is going to fall, he will have no reason not to go down in a nuclear blaze of glory.

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North Korea warns Britain it faces 'miserable end' if it takes part in military exercise on peninsula

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Old 08-25-2017, 07:11 AM   #33
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North Korea warns Britain it faces 'miserable end' if it takes part in military exercise on peninsula
And?????

I suspect Trump only looks upon the Allied as someone to blame if he's found wanting!

The scary part is who is the most likely to open fire first?????

After all those ships colliding maybe it's not the missiles we need to be worried about?????

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Old 08-25-2017, 05:41 PM   #34
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so what kind of popular music, TV, theater exist in north korea?

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Old 03-28-2018, 04:04 AM   #35
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/nort...ate-media.html

Is this for real?!!

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Old 03-28-2018, 06:18 AM   #36
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Hard to say. Neither CNN or Fox are reporting it.

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Old 03-28-2018, 06:52 AM   #37
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Sounds like it's probably just Xi trying to calm **** down further. I doubt Kim actually said that - even if he did, not like it means much until he actually starts backing it up with action.

All of this kindler gentler Kim stuff is likely just him buying time anyway, play nice until they can get properly across that reliable ICBM threshold and consolidate it all.

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Old 03-29-2018, 07:55 AM   #38
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I have one concern over this;


Korea on the whole, has been one of the most conquered and fought over places in the world. For centuries, it was like a dog bone, constantly fought over by China and Japan.


Thus, I find it hard to believe that any Korean leader would willingly give up a weapon that invokes such trepidation-- if not outright fear -- in potential enemies.


Now, it would be nice to think that--possibly--the whole Nuke program has been a long-game scam to bump the prestige and legitimize North Korea in the eyes of the world....


But I ain`t betting on it.

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China 's full of ****.

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Old 04-05-2018, 02:15 AM   #40
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War with North Korea shouldn’t even be considered an option. The Korean War is one of the worst wars America has ever fought. It had the 4th most deaths per year after The Civil War, World War 2, & Word War 1; plus it ended in a stalemate.

And this was before North Korea & China got nukes.

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Old 04-27-2018, 04:45 AM   #41
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North and South Korea will sign a peace treaty to formally end the Korean War later this year. - CNN



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I thought I would never see this happen in my lifetime. Wow...

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Old 04-27-2018, 05:24 AM   #42
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Best news of the year so far. Hopefully this will work out really well.

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There are still a lot of needles to thread. I think we should all keep holding our breath.

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Old 04-27-2018, 06:26 AM   #44
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Very good news. Legitimate question. How much credit does the current administration get for this? I know they will take the credit but I honestly can’t name one change in policy that has been enacted beyond the president calling people names.

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I'm not sure the current U.S administration did anything.

North Korea's main nuclear site collapsed recently which pretty much put a end to any nuclear weapons for Korea in the immediate future.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-action-china

North Korea could no longer use the threat of nukes as a bargaining chip.

The rest of the world is changing as well. Cuba, Myanmar/Burma and China have opened up and embraced aspects of capitalism and foreign engagement a lot more in recent years. North Korea is the last of a dying breed of old style communism. Realistically North Korea simply couldn't survive much longer on it's own with the way it was being run. The only reason things carried on the as long as they did for North Korea is because China and Russia was propping the regime up.

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Very good news. Legitimate question. How much credit does the current administration get for this? I know they will take the credit but I honestly can’t name one change in policy that has been enacted beyond the president calling people names.
Hard to say at this point. I am sure they will make much out of the whole "secret negotiations" Pompeo was doing recently but the question of how N. Korea came to the table willing to deal (assuming this is a stab at legitimate talks and not just something else, either puffery by Kim or a stalling tactic) is still very opaque and yeah, we saw no real appreciable policy change, carrot or stick on the U.S. side that suggests the administration is the reason this is happening now. If anything what can be gleaned at this time far more likely suggests that a combination of Chinese pressure and disaster in terms of the N. Korean weapons program are more central to the regimes decision than any tough talk or policy changes out of the Trump White House.

If reports are accurate the recent saber rattling by the North was a bluff to cover the fact that their nuke program while partially successful is at this time and for the foreseeable future in shambles.

Administration supporters scoff at this saying that the destruction of a single development site shouldn't be as detrimental to their program as some are making it out to be. I don't think they understand the insane resources involved with developing reliable nuclear weapons. It's not as simple as just finding another mountain to build a lab at. If reports are true the North not only lost a facility that they can't in the short term simply rebuild due to lack of resources but they lost significant amounts of personnel with the proper knowledge to achieve their weapons development goals. That is not as easily replaced in a closed off authoritarian state.


These realities and China taking advantage of them I am guessing will ultimately be revealed to be the underlying reasons behind this move by the regime in Pyongyang.

The question is has Kim reckoned with reality or is he playing a long game and using these negotiations as a stop gap, a pit stop if you will to achieving nuclear WMDs at some further point in the future after time has passed and the country's program can get back to where it was before it internally imploded?

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Old 04-27-2018, 07:12 AM   #47
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Well the meeting between the two leaders was very revealing as Kim Jon Un actually admitted the roads in North Korea were in bad shape. He's no humanitarian but I'm wondering if he's finally realizing he can only starve his people so long before the population numbers will shrink.

I'm already seeing Cheetoh apologists say that Obama couldn't get this done but again, not sure what Cheetoh or his administration actually did. Having a strongman isn't really an excuse. And correlation isn't causation in regards to him calling Un "Rocket man"

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Very good news. Legitimate question. How much credit does the current administration get for this? I know they will take the credit but I honestly can’t name one change in policy that has been enacted beyond the president calling people names.
Not a Trump fan, but IMO he deserves some credit for this. I HIGHLY doubt North Korea would've done this if he hadn't been talking tough. I also think he hired John Bolton to show Kim he was dead serious about bombing them if push came to shove.


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I don't think that is entirely accruate either. The way I see it is it mainly came down to North Korea lost its ability to produce nukes which in itself was a very weak position for them because we out nuke them by a large degree.

Though Bolton is likely a key part of it, the fact Trump seems to be genuinely unhinged to the point he would start a nuclear war just to save his ego is a more realistic look at how his administration "helped" the Korean unification come this far.

The Kim dictatorship was always about saber rattling but nothing more. Trump was willing to pull his out and wildly swing it around no matter the consequences.

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Props to the Trump administration for establishing direct communications with North Korea. Easily the greatest moment for his administration. Also, props to Kim Jong Un, he said he would open up North Korea to the outside world, and he did just that.

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