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Bernie Sanders 16 14.68%
Hillary Clinton (again) 2 1.83%
Elizabeth Warren 15 13.76%
Cory Booker 10 9.17%
Sherrod Brown 4 3.67%
Kirsten Gillibrand 0 0%
Julian Castro 1 0.92%
Kamala Harris 5 4.59%
Oprah Winfrey 3 2.75%
Keith Ellison 0 0%
Michelle Obama 6 5.50%
Tom Hanks 5 4.59%
Kanye 7 6.42%
Joe Biden 10 9.17%
Andrew Cuomo 1 0.92%
Someone else 24 22.02%
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Old 12-11-2016, 04:20 PM   #101
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I said on the first page I may not be a fan of hers but given the results of this election I sadly think she could pose a huge threat to actually winning with the American public. lol

It would be sort of sad though I guess if all our Presidents from this point on out win due to having a career in the entertainment industry. I should also add I also find it ironic that Republicans seem to love railing against the "hollywood elite" but they already up on the Democrates 2-0 when it comes to voting for entertainers(Reagan and Trump)

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I said on the first page I may not be a fan of hers but given the results of this election I sadly think she could pose a huge threat to actually winning with the American public. lol

It would be sort of sad though I guess if all our Presidents from this point on out win due to having a career in the entertainment industry. I should also add I also find it ironic that Republicans seem to love railing against the "hollywood elite" but they already up on the Democrates 2-0 when it comes to voting for entertainers(Reagan and Trump)
I guess it's according to how much of a disaster Trump is. If he starts a major war, say with Iran, and gets a lot of people killed, then maybe people will want a professional and not an amateur

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Kevin Feige should run for president.

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Ill not vote for someone like Oprah. She's a talk show host that gives away money and cars. That doesn't qualify her for the hardest most stressful job in the world that carries an unimaginable amount of responsibility.

I'm ****ing sick of this country acting like the presidency can be done by anyone that comes along. Would you want Oprah doing brain surgery or leading a military mission into a war zone or ordering drone strikes or even something like swapping a timing belt on your car? Obviously not. Most Americans would want someone trained and qualified to do those jobs. But in democratic countries for some unfathomable reason qualifications and training don't seem to matter at all when it's for the presidency.

Democracies will never last if we don't start requiring training, study, schooling, and qualifications for leadership positions. Why is it so unreasonable to require presidential candidates to train and qualify for the position? We have military academies for officers. Why not academies for those wanting to be president. If a person wants to run for president make them go through schooling for it. Make it last a year or more and cover every possible thing they may need to know. If a person is too ****ing careless or lazy to go to school to learn how to do the job properly they don't deserve to be president.

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Ill not vote for someone like Oprah. She's a talk show host that gives away money and cars. That doesn't qualify her for the hardest most stressful job in the world that carries an unimaginable amount of responsibility.

I'm ****ing sick of this country acting like the presidency can be done by anyone that comes along. Would you want Oprah doing brain surgery or leading a military mission into a war zone or ordering drone strikes or even something like swapping a timing belt on your car? Obviously not. Most Americans would want someone trained and qualified to do those jobs. But in democratic countries for some unfathomable reason qualifications and training don't seem to matter at all when it's for the presidency.

Democracies will never last if we don't start requiring training, study, schooling, and qualifications for leadership positions. Why is it so unreasonable to require presidential candidates to train and qualify for the position? We have military academies for officers. Why not academies for those wanting to be president. If a person wants to run for president make them go through schooling for it. Make it last a year or more and cover every possible thing they may need to know. If a person is too ****ing careless or lazy to go to school to learn how to do the job properly they don't deserve to be president.
After Trump, I would say there is absolutely no standards for who could get elected. I mean, even among celebrities, he is one of the most unqualified people in the world to hold the office, and the idiots in this country elected him. He's not even the most qualified carnival huckster in the country that could run for President. Vince McMahon is easily more qualified to be President than Trump is.

You can safely say that America is now a country with absolutely no standards of any sort when it comes to choosing it's leaders, and no morals as well.

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Ill not vote for someone like Oprah. She's a talk show host that gives away money and cars. That doesn't qualify her for the hardest most stressful job in the world that carries an unimaginable amount of responsibility.

I'm ****ing sick of this country acting like the presidency can be done by anyone that comes along. Would you want Oprah doing brain surgery or leading a military mission into a war zone or ordering drone strikes or even something like swapping a timing belt on your car? Obviously not. Most Americans would want someone trained and qualified to do those jobs. But in democratic countries for some unfathomable reason qualifications and training don't seem to matter at all when it's for the presidency.

Democracies will never last if we don't start requiring training, study, schooling, and qualifications for leadership positions. Why is it so unreasonable to require presidential candidates to train and qualify for the position? We have military academies for officers. Why not academies for those wanting to be president. If a person wants to run for president make them go through schooling for it. Make it last a year or more and cover every possible thing they may need to know. If a person is too ****ing careless or lazy to go to school to learn how to do the job properly they don't deserve to be president.
Modernization presents a huge risk that many of us never considered. We now have so much at the touch of a button... and we never thought of that as a problem. The cold, hard reality is that the Western World is growing dumber, and fatter, and lazier. We are in Pax Americana right now... which will probably lead to our destruction from the inside.
And with so many of us never properly educated and not knowing our own stupidity, we naturally want leaders that look and act like we do. We think to ourselves... "well if I need an answer at work, I just google it. The Presidency must be the same way." We think to ourselves that Trump may be unprepared, but money will hire smart people, and all that he needs is the smart people to give him the info so he can decide. We completely divorce good decision making from being knowledgeable... like one can just be debriefed on facts for 30 minutes, and then make a good decision based on that short, simple analysis.
But being President isn't like fixing a car, or making your modem work. It takes contextual awareness and critical thinking skills. We're too stupid to recognize the difference. Meanwhile, we're actively making our children more stupid by cutting education funding and reinforcing this nonsense. Democracy is the best form of government in the world... I still think so...but it does require us to maintain standards for ourselves. Because whenever left to their own devices, people destroy themselves.

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At this point who really cares anymore who we elect. Whats the point?Lets imagine our next President after Trump is the best we ever had who gets this country back on track. Right afterwards well elect someone like Trump and hell blow it all up.

Remember Obama told Iran they wouod be rewarded if they pursued peace instead of nukes? You think anyone wouod ever believe that ever again? They can't count on us to not elect Hitler tyoe people. We should be disarmed. The world shouod no longer allow us to possess nuclear power.


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I agree Warren is a terrible choice, but I wouldn't dismiss Bernie. Trump won this election in large part because he was running against a reviled insider whose reputation only got worse and worse as the election came to a close (courtesy of the FBI). Even Trump had a hard time insulting Bernie Sanders. I think he could have appealed to a lot of people in the rust belt. It would have been an interesting race.
I think Bernie will never be President. If he runs again, you'll have hillary supporters who are upset with Bernie supporters for sabotaging us and they might refuse to support Bernie. If he wins the nom ill vote for him, but during the primary ill be completely against him.

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If Tulsi raises her national profile enough by 2020 I think she'll be our best bet

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NAFTA, Wall Street, and emails didn't doom Hillary. They didn't help her, but your entire argument completely ignores what happened to the Democratic Party at the state and local level, particularly in states such as Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. You need state and local party apparatuses for basic things such as GOTV efforts and then Democrats have been obliterated over the past eight years on that front. No Democrat could have overcome the destruction that happened to the party under the watch of Obama, Wasserman-Schultz, Pelosi, and Reid. The demographics they chased and packing Democratic support in cities while ignoring the rest of the country doomed them. Meanwhile Trump was able to ride on the party machines that Walker, Kasich, Preibus, and others built for victory in the Rust Belt.

Bernie supporters also live in a fantasy world where Bernie is a much better candidate than the awful one he is in real life.
a loss of 1% in the rust belt in an election with lower than expected turnout with a candidate with legendary trustworthiness, the worst kind of associations with Nafta, TPP, and Wallstreet is somehow a full-throated repudiation of the democratic party of the obama years?


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I think Bernie will never be President. If he runs again, you'll have hillary supporters who are upset with Bernie supporters for sabotaging us and they might refuse to support Bernie. If he wins the nom ill vote for him, but during the primary ill be completely against him.
There would have been no "sabotaging" (thinking differently) if there was an actual candidate that could win their support. Hillary not being able to get their support is Hillary's fault for not being able to reach them/us. Many who voted for her did so out of "lesser of two evils" - she was against the big orange monster, not exactly a challenge to win the popular vote there.

What's needed is a candidate who can reach all people. Clearly the only thing that can be taken away from this is it was neither candidates because the direction to go split people. That's on both of them.

In a change election two promised change one through hope and another through fear, while another offered to give people the same. That's the basic distinction between all three. Bernie supporters differed from Hillary supporters on a very fundamental and basic level, did Bernie voters vote for her? Yeah, we did, but also - the other option was the boogeyman so to speak.

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If Tulsi raises her national profile enough by 2020 I think she'll be our best bet
This post is the epitome of how silly and uninformed the Sanders movement is. Tulsi Gabbard would be a disaster yet I have heard so many Sanders supporters on social media, Reddit, etc, boldly claim her to be the future of the party. When pushed on why, their depth of understanding of her is little more than. "she felt teh burnz so Twitter says I should like her!" Such is the level of depth of understanding most Sanders supporters have.

If they took the time to do even the slightest bit of research, they would know that Gabbard is fairly conservative on a good deal of issues. Her support for Sanders was little more than an opportunistic power play. Prior to that, she had no influence in the Party. So she went all in on a guy with no Party support at the time he was getting increased coverage. In doing so she raised her own profile, but it was merely opportunism. And it didn't pay off. Despite Sanders gaining more influence in the Party, she gained none. Which is why she is now taking another route and meeting with Trump and reportedly posturing for a role in his administration. Yet another attempt to gain influence, regardless of policy.

And none of that speaks to how terrible of a national candidate she would be. I strongly suggest you read this article and actually read up on her policy background rather than just assuming that because she backed Sanders and Twitter says that makes her cool, she is a suitable presidential candidate.

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Did you expect anything less from millenials that thought all of their debt would be wiped away and that they would get free college?

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At this point who really cares anymore who we elect. Whats the point?Lets imagine our next President after Trump is the best we ever had who gets this country back on track. Right afterwards well elect someone like Trump and hell blow it all up.

Remember Obama told Iran they wouod be rewarded if they pursued peace instead of nukes? You think anyone wouod ever believe that ever again? They can't count on us to not elect Hitler tyoe people. We should be disarmed. The world shouod no longer allow us to possess nuclear power.
Agreed. The stupidity and irresponsibility of American voters makes this country the #1 danger to the world and the continued existence of the human race.

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Did you expect anything less from millenials that thought all of their debt would be wiped away and that they would get free college?
You mean like, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Slovenia,France, etc? Are you arguing that out of the tax breaks we give to millionaires, the incentives we give to big business, to the military industrial complex... that there isn't enough money to pay for college? If we stopped giving big business a hand out and stopped making jet carriers that we don't need, and eliminated loopholes, and convicted white collar crime, then we could use that money for roads, schools, etc. That's the argument. The money is there. It's about priorities. You say it's impossible, but I say it's at least worth a try. Certainly we could get part of the way. If we wanted to make improvements to the country, an obvious choice would be to spend less money on bombs and more money on books... but it's people like you who say that such a thought is too insanely impossible to even try. Us young ones are stuck in this crazy utopia to think that we should stop spending money on Cold War era jet carriers and spend it instead on improving the homeland. Meanwhile, Bernie stated exactly how he was going to pay for his education agenda... it wasn't free, it was just redistributed.

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Gavin Newsom. The Dems need another Obama, someone young and righteous that will get voters excited. I really liked what I saw of him on Bill Maher.

Forgot about Cory Booker, he'd bee a good choice, as well.

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You mean like, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Slovenia,France, etc? Are you arguing that out of the tax breaks we give to millionaires, the incentives we give to big business, to the military industrial complex... that there isn't enough money to pay for college? If we stopped giving big business a hand out and stopped making jet carriers that we don't need, and eliminated loopholes, and convicted white collar crime, then we could use that money for roads, schools, etc. That's the argument. The money is there. It's about priorities. You say it's impossible, but I say it's at least worth a try. Certainly we could get part of the way. If we wanted to make improvements to the country, an obvious choice would be to spend less money on bombs and more money on books... but it's people like you who say that such a thought is too insanely impossible to even try. Us young ones are stuck in this crazy utopia to think that we should stop spending money on Cold War era jet carriers and spend it instead on improving the homeland. Meanwhile, Bernie stated exactly how he was going to pay for his education agenda... it wasn't free, it was just redistributed.
Those countries have smaller populations, different political systems that are far more centralized than our federal republic, and have very different primary education systems that make secondary more cost-effective (and that is just a few of the differences).

Comparing our country to European socialist states is overly simplistic and naive. If you think mere redistribution would've covered even a fraction of the Sanders proposals, you are nuts.

This represents my biggest problem with the Sanders campaign, it was offering no real way to pay for the proposals and when challenged he'd say, exactly as you do, "well Sweden does it!" while ignoring that fundamental differences between our two countries. It was so intellectually dishonest. It is the equivalent to saying "well, birth control pills stem pregnancy in women, so let's have men take the pill and we will no longer have unplanned pregnancy!"

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Those countries have smaller populations, different political systems that are far more centralized than our federal republic, and have very different primary education systems that make secondary more cost-effective (and that is just a few of the differences).

Comparing our country to European socialist states is overly simplistic and naive. If you think mere redistribution would've covered even a fraction of the Sanders proposals, you are nuts.
I agree that there are hurdles and differences, but - in no way - does that say that it can't be done here. Yes... it'll be more difficult, but saying those countries are so different that it can't be done is just as naive as saying, those countries do it so we can too. The reality, like I said, is that it's about priorities. You say I'm nuts for thinking it could be done. Well, we have a navy 5 times bigger than any other in the world, the biggest military, we give away huge tax breaks to millionaires, big business, big oil, etc. If you think it's so crazy, then give me an accounting of how much we can save if we changed those areas. Then, let's see how much we need to pay for education. AT VERY LEAST, we could give an incentive to make it vastly more affordable for people. Saying it's nuts to believe in Sander's policies is an easy way to avoid trying to do the right thing. At very least, we could move in the right direction. You're making the perfect the enemy of the good.

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This represents my biggest problem with the Sanders campaign, it was offering no real way to pay for the proposals and when challenged he'd say, exactly as you do, "well Sweden does it!" while ignoring that fundamental differences between our two countries. It was so intellectually dishonest. It is the equivalent to saying "well, birth control pills stem pregnancy in women, so let's have men take the pill and we will no longer have unplanned pregnancy!"
Actually, Sanders did a very diligent accounting of what he'd do, and where the money would come from. It was folks like you who discounted it as a pie in the sky dream without looking into it. He did offer ways to pay... people assumed it was impossible though, so I never saw an honest accounting of the savings calculated against the cost. And again, I don't even need to prove 100% effectiveness. At very minimum... less Cold War jets and more affordable college IS doable. Don't tell me it can't be done when it hasn't been tried. I admit that it's politically pretty unfeasible, but it could be done if we had political fiat. It's about the will to do it; not whether or not we're technically able.

I mean.. yes, there are fundamental differences between us and other countries. Is that saying that we can't use them for a model for anything? What makes their school system different? Could we model after it? Why are we paying for charter schools with no standards? Could some of that go to college? How about getting rid of the for-profit education system entirely? Saying it just can't be done is a convenient excuse for someone who isn't interested in trying.


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amazing that people think cory brooker who is more wall street connected than obama ever was can beat trump In 2020

clinton and her supporters thought they could win be demeaning bernie sanders and all his supporters.many who were lifelong dems but dared support him over her.how did that work out.

Dems are now seen as party of wall street.now if you think if clinton would have won she wouldn't appoint wall street people and neocons your naive.

with booker he actully defended romney In 2012 from obama's bain capital attacks.

also remember clinton won popular vote mianly due to strong anti-trump vote In California.

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Speaking of student debt, apparently social security checks are now being lessened to pay for the former.


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as disabled american one change that will undoudtbly happen is the cost of living increase those on SS and SSI get in january may be last cost of living increase ever.

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I doubt it. He is running for the democratic nomination in the California governor race in 2018. I get a sense that being elected Governor is as high of political office as he wants to go.

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is the person that I think could energize the Democratic party and perhaps become an appealing candidate in 2020 that people can get excited for.

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I agree that there are hurdles and differences, but - in no way - does that say that it can't be done here. Yes... it'll be more difficult, but saying those countries are so different that it can't be done is just as naive as saying, those countries do it so we can too. The reality, like I said, is that it's about priorities. You say I'm nuts for thinking it could be done. Well, we have a navy 5 times bigger than any other in the world, the biggest military, we give away huge tax breaks to millionaires, big business, big oil, etc. If you think it's so crazy, then give me an accounting of how much we can save if we changed those areas. Then, let's see how much we need to pay for education. AT VERY LEAST, we could give an incentive to make it vastly more affordable for people. Saying it's nuts to believe in Sander's policies is an easy way to avoid trying to do the right thing. At very least, we could move in the right direction. You're making the perfect the enemy of the good.



Actually, Sanders did a very diligent accounting of what he'd do, and where the money would come from. It was folks like you who discounted it as a pie in the sky dream without looking into it. He did offer ways to pay... people assumed it was impossible though, so I never saw an honest accounting of the savings calculated against the cost. And again, I don't even need to prove 100% effectiveness. At very minimum... less Cold War jets and more affordable college IS doable. Don't tell me it can't be done when it hasn't been tried. I admit that it's politically pretty unfeasible, but it could be done if we had political fiat. It's about the will to do it; not whether or not we're technically able.

I mean.. yes, there are fundamental differences between us and other countries. Is that saying that we can't use them for a model for anything? What makes their school system different? Could we model after it? Why are we paying for charter schools with no standards? Could some of that go to college? How about getting rid of the for-profit education system entirely? Saying it just can't be done is a convenient excuse for someone who isn't interested in trying.
Exactly where and when did he talk about how he would pay for his policy? It wasn't on his website....it wasn't in any of his interviews, and he never talked about it in debates. Did you guys have a beer one night?

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I agree that there are hurdles and differences, but - in no way - does that say that it can't be done here. Yes... it'll be more difficult, but saying those countries are so different that it can't be done is just as naive as saying, those countries do it so we can too. The reality, like I said, is that it's about priorities. You say I'm nuts for thinking it could be done. Well, we have a navy 5 times bigger than any other in the world, the biggest military, we give away huge tax breaks to millionaires, big business, big oil, etc. If you think it's so crazy, then give me an accounting of how much we can save if we changed those areas. Then, let's see how much we need to pay for education. AT VERY LEAST, we could give an incentive to make it vastly more affordable for people. Saying it's nuts to believe in Sander's policies is an easy way to avoid trying to do the right thing. At very least, we could move in the right direction. You're making the perfect the enemy of the good.



Actually, Sanders did a very diligent accounting of what he'd do, and where the money would come from. It was folks like you who discounted it as a pie in the sky dream without looking into it. He did offer ways to pay... people assumed it was impossible though, so I never saw an honest accounting of the savings calculated against the cost. And again, I don't even need to prove 100% effectiveness. At very minimum... less Cold War jets and more affordable college IS doable. Don't tell me it can't be done when it hasn't been tried. I admit that it's politically pretty unfeasible, but it could be done if we had political fiat. It's about the will to do it; not whether or not we're technically able.

I mean.. yes, there are fundamental differences between us and other countries. Is that saying that we can't use them for a model for anything? What makes their school system different? Could we model after it? Why are we paying for charter schools with no standards? Could some of that go to college? How about getting rid of the for-profit education system entirely? Saying it just can't be done is a convenient excuse for someone who isn't interested in trying.
You make it sound ridiculously simple. Are you familiar with the concept of federalism? It is the backbone of our entire Republic. The education system in this country is inseparably linked to state government. The reform you speak of, that would be necessary for this type of shift, would have to come at every state level. And if your answer is another simplisitc "change that," it shows how ignorant you are on this issues. Changing it would require a re-write of our Constitution. The federal government cannot decide to strip the state of a power that is not delineated to the federal government by the Constitution (education is not).

And none of that accounts for the underlying political discourse on the matter. I'd wager a strong majority of our country does not believe higher education is a fundamental right. Hell, about 40 % of the country takes issue with the government taxing others to feed the less fortunate. How do you think they will feel about taxing others so someone doesn't have to get a loan? I'd wager about 65-70 % of the country would stand against such a proposal. And you can't claim it is like gay marriage, where even with a strong opposition, there is Constitutional assurance. There is absolutely zero argument to be made that there is a Constitutional guarantee to higher education.

My point is, "reform what needs to be reformed, tax the wealthy, and cut spending," is not as simple as you make it out to be. Taxing the wealthy would not pay for a fraction of the costs. As to cutting spending, what do you cut? How can you justify cutting entire programs that benefit the whole of the country simply so those who decide to go to college at a public institution can go debt free?

Even the simplest answer that you provide: "stop wasting money on Cold War jets!" isn't that simple. What happens to the town that houses the factory that assembles the carrier, where thousands of people are employed? And the town with the factory that Part A is built in? And Part B? And Part C? You are talking about tens of thousands of US jobs that rely on these military contracts. Further, these jobs go away, entire towns sink into depressions, resulting in business closing and leaving. Suddenly you have several smaller versions of Detroit. Economically bankrupt resulting in crime ridden, poverty stricken, deadzones. Think I'm being dramatic? Its the story of hundreds of small cities and towns in Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc following the recline of the steel, auto, and coal industries.

And I am not suggesting that we can keep creating obsolete technology to keep factories open. But there is an effect to each action. By wiping out the debt of millennials, you may very well leave thousands of members of an older generation unemployed, unemployable (because they have no other skills), and destroy entire communities as a result.

My above ramblings are the things that are weighed when making such decisions. And if you say that Bernie Sanders offered a plan nearly nuanced enough to address those obstacles, then I am going to call you a bald faced liar.

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Exactly where and when did he talk about how he would pay for his policy? It wasn't on his website....it wasn't in any of his interviews, and he never talked about it in debates. Did you guys have a beer one night?
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I doubt it. He is running for the democratic nomination in the California governor race in 2018. I get a sense that being elected Governor is as high of political office as he wants to go.

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is the person that I think could energize the Democratic party and perhaps become an appealing candidate in 2020 that people can get excited for.
Read this and educate yourself before boldly declaring a power-less, influence-less, nobody Congresswoman, out of the most culturally isolated state in the Union, with more skeletons in her closet than Jimmy Hoffa and more conservative leanings than a moderate Republican like Lindsey Graham, is the inspirational future of the Democratic Party and liberal movement all because she "felt teh burnz!!!!"

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This post is the epitome of how silly and uninformed the Sanders movement is. Tulsi Gabbard would be a disaster yet I have heard so many Sanders supporters on social media, Reddit, etc, boldly claim her to be the future of the party. When pushed on why, their depth of understanding of her is little more than. "she felt teh burnz so Twitter says I should like her!" Such is the level of depth of understanding most Sanders supporters have.

If they took the time to do even the slightest bit of research, they would know that Gabbard is fairly conservative on a good deal of issues. Her support for Sanders was little more than an opportunistic power play. Prior to that, she had no influence in the Party. So she went all in on a guy with no Party support at the time he was getting increased coverage. In doing so she raised her own profile, but it was merely opportunism. And it didn't pay off. Despite Sanders gaining more influence in the Party, she gained none. Which is why she is now taking another route and meeting with Trump and reportedly posturing for a role in his administration. Yet another attempt to gain influence, regardless of policy.

And none of that speaks to how terrible of a national candidate she would be. I strongly suggest you read this article and actually read up on her policy background rather than just assuming that because she backed Sanders and Twitter says that makes her cool, she is a suitable presidential candidate.


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Read this and educate yourself before boldly declaring a power-less, influence-less, nobody Congresswoman, out of the most culturally isolated state in the Union, with more skeletons in her closet than Jimmy Hoffa and more conservative leanings than a moderate Republican like Lindsey Graham, is the inspirational future of the Democratic Party and liberal movement all because she "felt teh burnz!!!!"
Hi, Matt. Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. I said I think she could... COULD.... be someone to watch for in the mess that is the Democratic Party. Seeing that she is considered a growing star within her party, an elected official in the US government and some people are seeing her as a possible - let me repeat that - a POSSIBLE future presidential candidate, it's fine to say she could be a someone who people can support. I just think she is someone watch in the coming years. Same with other Democratic politicians, like Cory Booker and Kirstin Gillibrand.

Oh, if a businessman who has had plenty of past financial failures, hides his tax returns from the public, seems to have potential sexist and racist views and is one of the most unqualifed people to be elected President can do what he did in this past election, I think it could be possible that some Haiwii congresswoman who supported Senator Bernie Sanders can be elected President, as well.

But hey, according to you I need to educate myself more about her. How about tell me why she seems to be a wrong choice for the Dems as it's seems you have all the answers. I'm open to learn about anyone who wants to lead this party.

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Hi, Matt. Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. I said I think she could... COULD.... be someone to watch for in the mess that is the Democratic Party. Seeing that she is considered a growing star within her party, an elected official in the US government and some people are seeing her as a possible - let me repeat that - a POSSIBLE future presidential candidate, it's fine to say she could be a someone who people can support. I just think she is someone watch in the coming years. Same with other Democratic politicians, like Cory Booker and Kirstin Gillibrand.

Oh, if a businessman who has had plenty of past financial failures, hides his tax returns from the public, seems to have potential sexist and racist views and is one of the most unqualifed people to be elected President can do what he did in this past election, I think it could be possible that some Haiwii congresswoman who supported Senator Bernie Sanders can be elected President, as well.

But hey, according to you I need to educate myself more about her. How about tell me why she seems to be a wrong choice for the Dems as it's seems you have all the answers. I'm open to learn about anyone who wants to lead this party.
Yeah, except she is not considered a "rising star" by anyone in the party. The entire party simply resents her behavior during the primary and her subsequent brown nosing to Trump. As to why she is the wrong choice, consult the article I linked.

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