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Old 08-09-2017, 10:11 AM   #26
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As a child of the 80s, MAD was kind of reassuring compared to this, because no one was truly insane on either side.

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A bit under the radar due to the threat of thermonuclear war, but...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.790e4ab74727

Rather impressive that we haven't heard about it till now. It may also paint some of Trump's reactions to the investigation in the past few weeks. Mueller is clearly running a tight ship. I wonder what is going on with Flynn...

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Wow! thanks. That's very interesting...

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Old 08-09-2017, 10:30 AM   #29
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Getting some context from CNN, it was apparently the same day that he was supposed to testify before Congress. It does explain some things.

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This is a link to the same story on the BBC site, which you don't need a subscription to read...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40879798

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Yeah, I saw that.

Also, this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7883626.html

Just goes to show this is well beyond any kind of grand standing the right may try to characterize the investigation as. This is straight up national service. Mueller has assembled a literal Justice League.

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Old 08-09-2017, 01:44 PM   #32
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Sadly, I realized the same. I typed it out jokingly. Then reread it, and realized it sounded like something he possibly could say. So I made sure the website link didn't go anywhere, just in case someone clicked it.

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Yeah, I saw that.

Also, this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7883626.html

Just goes to show this is well beyond any kind of grand standing the right may try to characterize the investigation as. This is straight up national service. Mueller has assembled a literal Justice League.
I don't have a link to the story, but people who know him in real life have talked about Mueller on the news. The most common thing said is that he loves piecing together a case, and making sure it's done right. He's passionate about it.

One story was something like this (only partially remember it, so paraphrasing). Washington wasn't where he was happy, so he wanted to get back to case solving. So when he left the FBI, he went back to a private firm. He was rumored to receive an instant promotion, but turned it down. Saying he didn't think it was fair to jump ahead in line, and would earn his way up. The reporter said she agreed, and said it was a great moment in Mueller's career.

I probably butchered that story, lol. My point is, if Trump thinks he's going to dig up dirt on Mueller, or persuade him to give up the case by wining and dining him, he's mistaken. Everything points to Mueller loving putting a case together, and earning his way to get to that point. What bigger of a case is there to piece together than one involving the president of the United States. Mueller's probably in case solving heaven right now.

So Mueller turning down $3 million to do this case isn't surprising.

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A bit under the radar due to the threat of thermonuclear war, but...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.790e4ab74727

Rather impressive that we haven't heard about it till now. It may also paint some of Trump's reactions to the investigation in the past few weeks. Mueller is clearly running a tight ship. I wonder what is going on with Flynn...
It's so sad reading the comments on that story. So much willfully foolish paranoid ignorance. Acting like there is zero reasons this investigation is happening is the height of credulous-ness.

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Not gonna lie, I am seriously getting nervous. Trump is dumb enough to bomb North Korea.

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Not gonna lie, I am seriously getting nervous. Trump is dumb enough to bomb North Korea.
I am worried he won't do it because he's dumb, but because he would love to be a "wartime" president. Lots of Americans woould rally to him on the general principle and he knows that, plus his latitude in terms of action, domestic and foreign policy wise would increase.

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And a war would probably kill any chances of him being impeached.

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He won't do it. Or, his administration won't let him do it. There are too many factors and too many "ifs" that need to align in order for this to happen.

He's an idiot and his childish outbursts on Twitter will definitely have their consequences, but nuclear war isn't one of them.

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I think you guys are underestimating the war weariness we have. I really doubt he could start a war without serious political ramifications.

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Trump is delusional.

Which is definitely on the insanity scale.

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I think you guys are underestimating the war weariness we have. I really doubt he could start a war without serious political ramifications.
Of course there would be ramifications, and of course we are war weary... But it would raise his numbers. The rally around the flag thing is true. Despite all the evidence that was plain to see at the time, of how the Iraq invasion was always a bad idea, a distraction from actually finding and defeating the terrorists that attacked on 9/11 and the way the occupation was executed, with blunders and wasted money and lives, people still gave Bush and Cheney a second term. The right wing echo chamber media would go into overdrive and re-energize the Trump base and conservatives in general. At this point I put nothing past this borderline sociopath fool of a president.

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Of course there would be ramifications, and of course we are war weary... But it would raise his numbers. The rally around the flag thing is true. Despite all the evidence that was plain to see at the time, of how the Iraq invasion was always a bad idea, a distraction from actually finding and defeating the terrorists that attacked on 9/11 and the way the occupation was executed, with blunders and wasted money and lives, people still gave Bush and Cheney a second term. The right wing echo chamber media would go into overdrive and re-energize the Trump base and conservatives in general. At this point I put nothing past this borderline sociopath fool of a president.
That was different. Bush and Cheney used 9/11 and the fear of terrorists over and over and over again so the American public was terrified. Scare people and then offer to protect them. That's the game.

Trump is doing nothing on that front. No one is scared of North Korea. They're maybe a little bit pissed about that guy who was arrested over there and died, but I doubt the average American thinks North Koreans are terrorists or that they're even dangerous.

Bush got what he wanted by feeding the public lies about Iraq. It would have never worked had it not been for 9/11. Trump doesn't have that edge. He just sounds like an old man screaming at people to get off his lawn.

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I think you are overestimating how much another Iraq would create a "rallying around the flag" environment.

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That's a big chicken!!

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I'm mixed. I honestly don't think Trump can just say we're going to war, and we go to war. Even amongst republicans, there would be push back from guys like McCain. Plus, he campaigned that Hillary would get us into WW3, but he would keep us out of conflict. Given his slipping support, even amongst republicans, and his base. I just don't see people rallying behind him. Even more so as most polls show people don't trust him as president period, let alone if he leads us into a nuclear war.

That said, do I think it's possible Trump could tweet in protest if he watches a story saying he's weak on NK? Sure, entirely possible. Just like with the transgender tweet, generals did not immediately support it. Then later they scrambled to turn it into policy. I could see Trump tweeting something that gives the Pentagon a heart attack, and then his handlers, and generals have to talk it back.




The truth is, all of this is new. Trump has proven time, and time again that he's unique, and unpredictable as president. We really don't know what he'll tweet from his toilet at 5 am tomorrow. We also don't know if NK will take it serious, or not.

I think that's the problem. In a normal presidency, suggesting a president would randomly say he's starting war with NK with no build up would be laughable. The president usually brings his case to the people, congress, and the senate. Trump isn't a normal president. We really don't know what newscast may set him off, and straight to twitter.

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I'm really curious about the FBI raiding Manafort's house in a surprise raid. I'd imagine you don't get a search warrant, and raid a house for info unless you expect to find something. They reportedly walked out of his house with several documents. It seems more, and more that Mueller is on to something big.

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Deranged Donald blamed Attorney General Jeff Sessions for not firing the acting FBI director McCabe hours after the pre-dawn FBI raid of Manafort:


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