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Old 08-09-2017, 08:10 PM   #51
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Mediaite - MSNBC Military Analyst: If Trump Ordered a Nuclear Launch, Mattis Would Defy It

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So what would happen if President Donald Trump actually ordered a nuclear strike on North Korea?

It’s a question that’s undoubtedly been on the minds of many Americans following President Donald Trump‘s “fire and fury” rant directed at the North Korean regime on Tuesday. The panel on Deadline: White House Wednesday offered their two cents. And during the discussion, Col. Jack Jacobs — an MSNBC military analyst — made a fairly stunning statement.

Jacobs, a Medal of Honor recipient, believes that Secretary of State James Mattis would break the chain of command, if it came down to that.

“You think Mattis would defy an order?” Deadline host Nicolle Wallace asked.

“Yeah, I think he would,” Jacobs said. The military analyst added, “He would say, ‘I’m not doing it.'”
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Deranged Donald blamed Attorney General Jeff Sessions for not firing the acting FBI director McCabe hours after the pre-dawn FBI raid of Manafort:

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Old 08-09-2017, 08:23 PM   #53
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He might be forgiven for crying now, lol. If Trump is guilty, he knows what he did, and when he did it. If he knows Manafort did something that is a crime, and traceable to Trump. I'd imagine he'd be sweating profusely when Manafort calls, and tells Trump his house was just raided by the FBI. Then tells him on top of that that they walked out with piles of documents.

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The fact that Manafort had potentially incriminating documents in his home shows you how incompetent/cocky these fools are.

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Was busy, and couldn't catch up on the news until now. So just glancing over a few things quick. So Trump spent his morning touting our nuclear arsenal, and then attacked Mitch McConnell?

I mean I'm fine with McConnell being taken down a peg, but this shows his incompetence as a leader. He's supposed to be a leader, but he's attacking someone who has been one of his staunchest defenders in the senate. Plus, should he really be talking about nukes after his fire and fury comment freaked people out yesterday?

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Old 08-09-2017, 08:47 PM   #56
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This whole North Korea fiasco is just Trump attempting to deflect and distract from the Russia probe. He knows if he initiates a war the investigation will be forgotten about, his supporters would rally behind him, and in essence as others said it would essentially guarantee him a second term.

I firmly believe the media along with Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are handling this lunatic manchild with kid gloves. Had this been President Obama or Hillary they'd already be impeached, charged with treason, and in prison.

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This thread on reddit had a few good theories on the Manafort raid. One post is a little long, so will spoiler it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co..._former_trump/

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My take as a former white-collar investigator: Manafort recently produced a variety of documents in response to voluntary document requests. The total number of documents he produced was quite small. He also produced documents to and testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee shortly before this raid.

The investigators (either at Senate Intel, the FBI, Mueller, or possibly all three) likely knew of the existence of certain documents prior to making those requests through intelligence, the treasury, disclosures of other individuals involved, or otherwise.

I suspect that when Manafort's production and testimony failed to include key documents investigators already knew existed that gave them probable cause to suspect he was hiding those documents (or as the poster above suggested, may destroy those documents), and possibly other unknown documents. At least, that is usually what is going on behind the scenes when you follow up voluntary requests with a search warrant.

We know that Manafort turned over documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee in late May 2017. We also know that the Senate Committee sent a request relating to Manafort's finances to the treasury in early May 2017. According to WaPo/NYT reporting, this search warrant was executed in late July. Manafort met with investigators for the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 25. According to this article, the raid took place the following day, on the morning of July 26. Manafort also produced documents to the Senate Judiciary Committee on August 2, 2017, but that appears to have been after this raid.

I believe this quote from the article supports my theory:

"Investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records."

as well as these quotes from the related NYT article out a few minutes ago:

"NYT reports that Mueller investigators searched Manafort's home for "tax documents and foreign banking records.""

"The F.B.I. typically seeks such records when investigating violations of the federal Bank Secrecy Act."

"The search was carried out shortly after Mr. Manafort met with investigators for the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 25."


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This is just FBI 101. They rarely ask a question or make a request without knowing the full answer already. There's more to be learned from catching someone in a lie.
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That's exactly how these things work. You build the best case for whatever you can against people lower on the totem pole, then offer them a deal if they're willing to rat out the big boys.

Mueller started the Enron takedown by going after the wife of one of the executives to pressure him to come clean. He's f***ing ruthless.
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Friendly reminder- Ken Lay appeared far more untouchable than Trump. He owned Houston, had stadiums named after him, etc. Mueller's takedown of Enron was a prosecution for the ages. And, btw, Ken Lay (whom Mueller defeated) was infinitely smarter and more well-organized than the man he's up against now.

Basically the idea is that Mueller knew what documents he wanted Manafort to produce. He waited for Manafort to testify, and then raided his house the very next morning after Manafort didn't produce it. Also that they had enough evidence to prove probable cause to convince a judge to provide a search warrant after Manafort testimony didn't produce the truth.

The other theory is that they're building a case against Manafort to get him to turn on Trump in turn for a plea deal. That Mueller did something similar in the Enron takedown by going after a CEO's wife, pressuring the CEO to come clean.

Most likely, Mueller is far ahead of what we currently know. He most likely has enough info to get warrants, subpoenas, prove probable cause, ect. Just like Matt said, Mueller wants to build the case properly, so he's not rushing.

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This whole North Korea fiasco is just Trump attempting to deflect and distract from the Russia probe. He knows if he initiates a war the investigation will be forgotten about, his supporters would rally behind him, and in essence as others said it would essentially guarantee him a second term.

I firmly believe the media along with Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are handling this lunatic manchild with kid gloves. Had this been President Obama or Hillary they'd already be impeached, charged with treason, and in prison.
I already said it in this thread before (many pages ago), but I believe that Trump is now desperately trying to create a war because it will shelter from from the scandals that are brewing right now, and he will accumulate more power to himself and probably getting richer in the process as well. He sees NK as an easy target since they also have a toddler they called leader (like the one in our WH), so these two incompetent fools can trade threats against one another.

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They should put that flattering picture in his daily brief.

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I'm mixed. I honestly don't think Trump can just say we're going to war, and we go to war. Even amongst republicans, there would be push back from guys like McCain. Plus, he campaigned that Hillary would get us into WW3, but he would keep us out of conflict. Given his slipping support, even amongst republicans, and his base. I just don't see people rallying behind him. Even more so as most polls show people don't trust him as president period, let alone if he leads us into a nuclear war.

That said, do I think it's possible Trump could tweet in protest if he watches a story saying he's weak on NK? Sure, entirely possible. Just like with the transgender tweet, generals did not immediately support it. Then later they scrambled to turn it into policy. I could see Trump tweeting something that gives the Pentagon a heart attack, and then his handlers, and generals have to talk it back.




The truth is, all of this is new. Trump has proven time, and time again that he's unique, and unpredictable as president. We really don't know what he'll tweet from his toilet at 5 am tomorrow. We also don't know if NK will take it serious, or not.

I think that's the problem. In a normal presidency, suggesting a president would randomly say he's starting war with NK with no build up would be laughable. The president usually brings his case to the people, congress, and the senate. Trump isn't a normal president. We really don't know what newscast may set him off, and straight to twitter.
Trump and Kim are just waiting for the other one to be the one to make a provocative act that justifies retaliation. That's the only thing holding them back.

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Looks like Trump is turning on Mitch McConnell now.

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Looks like Trump is turning on Mitch McConnell now.
What's bizarre is Trump actually has a legitimate point, albeit that's incidental in his effort to throw someone else under the bus to take any blame off of himself.

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This is literally like watching the infighting in the Legion of Doom in the old Superfriends cartoons....

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Looks like Trump is turning on Mitch McConnell now.
No surprise. Trump is only loyal to Trump. Trump would throw the whole GOP under the bus tomorrow if he personally stood to benefit from it.

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Half of Republicans support postponing next Presidential election.

And you know Trump will try it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.150881ff3ba3

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.84b6593a3f32

Maybe it's time to just let the red states secede and form their own crap country.

Edit: someone beat me to it.

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Half of Republicans support postponing next Presidential election.

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I get very tired of hearing about these people are the patriotic Americans while they support dismantling our democracy.

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Half of Republicans support postponing next Presidential election.

And you know Trump will try it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.150881ff3ba3
Honestly, this is irresponsible journalism on the Post's part. There has been no indication that Trump will attempt anything of the sort. To poll on a hypothetical with no basis in reality is, plain and simple, manufacturing a story. **** like this is what makes it so easy for Trump to stoke distrust of the media.

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The story does indicate at the end just how impossible the scenario is. Still, it's disturbing how many people might go along with it.

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I get very tired of hearing about these people are the patriotic Americans while they support dismantling our democracy.
I know, right? It just makes me sad.

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The story does indicate at the end just how impossible the scenario is. Still, it's disturbing how many people might go along with it.
Never-the-less, it is an opinion poll manufactured by the Post regarding something that neither has, nor will, happen. This is quite literally fake news. The Post should be better than that.

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Yeah, that sounds like an extremely misleading poll.

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We should postpone the election until the Russians are destroyed.


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