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Old 09-11-2017, 05:52 PM   #176
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Advertisers don't give a crap about streaming (delayed viewing is different depending on the source of the delayed viewing), but networks do care if they can recoup their costs by charging more for Netflix to air it or sell digital downloads/Blu Ray sales.

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They have yet to release season 3 and 4 of Aos in bluray and DVD... So I'm sticking to what I just said. ABC's drama division is not doing well and their pilots/new shows don't seem promising at all. So instead spending money on potential new flops, they just renewed veteran shows which are cheaper to produce. And if anyone saw how the Vfx keeps getting worse for Ouat, that should indicate that they do cut budget and I expect the same for Aos 5. The Friday timeslot is also another indication and they do have to fill slots.

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So...is this as bad as they're saying it is?

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I've seen worse TV shows.

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So...is this as bad as they're saying it is?
As bad as they're saying? Well, that depends on who the they is that is saying it. I thought the io9 review was spot on. Metacritic has had three reviews that were "mixed" (not good but not bad either). Rotten Tomatoes had 12 people who reviewed it with an average score of 3.8, but none thought it was good. Both have a terrible sample size. I would say somewhere between a four or five out of ten would be more appropriate (where six is considered "fresh"), but it's in that ballpark.

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Scott Buck now has the worst seasons of Dexter, a mediocre Iron Fist and now this on his resume. Will be interesting to see what his next project is next.

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They have yet to release season 3 and 4 of Aos in bluray and DVD... So I'm sticking to what I just said. ABC's drama division is not doing well and their pilots/new shows don't seem promising at all. So instead spending money on potential new flops, they just renewed veteran shows which are cheaper to produce. And if anyone saw how the Vfx keeps getting worse for Ouat, that should indicate that they do cut budget and I expect the same for Aos 5. The Friday timeslot is also another indication and they do have to fill slots.
Seasons 3 and 4 have been released on home media; just not in the US

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Iron Fist Season 3?

I mean, hey, Marvel brought him on board for Inhumans after they saw the reception that Iron Fist received...

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Meanwhile over at the movies division of Marvel Studios.....

Kevin Feige practices an evil laugh when he hears Inhumans is a massive failure.

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Which IMO is unnecessary. Its a shame that the Inhumans got treated like the Fantastic Four, but worse it wasn't deemed good enough for a film, but Gotg can.

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As bad as they're saying? Well, that depends on who the they is that is saying it. I thought the io9 review was spot on. Metacritic has had three reviews that were "mixed" (not good but not bad either). Rotten Tomatoes had 12 people who reviewed it with an average score of 3.8, but none thought it was good. Both have a terrible sample size. I would say somewhere between a four or five out of ten would be more appropriate (where six is considered "fresh"), but it's in that ballpark.
Its up to eight percent.

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0% for IMAX, 8% for TV. I think there's a fair difference of judging IMAX on IMAX standards as opposed to TV standards. Of course, the only real difference is on extra review, which shows the problem with ridiculously small sample sizes.

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Iron Fist Season 3?

I mean, hey, Marvel brought him on board for Inhumans after they saw the reception that Iron Fist received...
Inhumans had already started production by the time IF came out, no? I'm pretty sure that by then it was too late to replace Buck seeing as how they had to meet that IMAX release date.

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If they could get Samuel L. Jackson for an eight episode TV series, that would have been spectacular. He loves B movies too so that might have worked.

I could see the movie side of things pushing back on that, though, because he's a character they like to use in movies. The height of collaboration between the two groups was Agent Carter season one (which is noteworthy for being very good too, fwiw). We don't exactly know how much input the movie side had aside from Feige suggesting the post-credits thing from the final episode, but if Agent Carter required at least input from the movie side, I suspect a Nick Fury TV show would get outright vetoed since Feige has said several times that he doesn't want to do TV shows and is less likely to delegate a core movie character to Jeph Loeb.
And therein lies the problem that I believe will ultimately hinder the TV side especially on projects like this. Whether it is Perlmutter not cooperating or Feige just not caring about TV, we are going to see more and more issues on the TV side. Loeb has done an admirable job to this point but without strong connective tissue between the two divisions, TV is going to end up as extraneous material rather than supplemental.

Going back to the Fury example. In an ideal situation where TV and film are under one umbrella, they could've produced a pretty awesome mini-series about Fury's activities since AoU through Civil War. They could do a sort of conspiracy thriller where Fury has his own team made up of Maria Hill, Sharon Carter, Deathlok and Clay Quartermain that ends in a revelation about Thanos. All the while they could be working on Inhumans in the background for 2018, leveraging the likes of Andy Park, Ryan Meinerding, and the Marvel Studios costuming department to really make something unique. Again, ideal situation but this really makes me want this type of organization that would allow for some really deep multi-level storytelling.

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0% for IMAX, 8% for TV. I think there's a fair difference of judging IMAX on IMAX standards as opposed to TV standards. Of course, the only real difference is on extra review, which shows the problem with ridiculously small sample sizes.
When it comes to TV ratings, I don't find Rt reliable. I use Metacritic instead. But still a bad rating from Rt is not a good sight.

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^ I'm not a fan of using Rotten Tomatoes either. Honestly, when it comes to TV, there's a problem with using reviewers not using consistent measurements or using too short of a measurement. Shows vary from episode to episode in quality and often take time to get their feet under them. Reviewers give ratings as if they're rating an entire series instead of a pilot, which is misleading. However, I think aggregate reviewing sites has been a net positive for movies so I'd hate to disregard them entirely for TV. And, yes, people consistently finding something mediocre does a good job of indicating that it is, in fact, mediocre. It doesn't mean it's the worst thing ever, but that's a good way of showing you'll feel the same way.

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Inhumans had already started production by the time IF came out, no? I'm pretty sure that by then it was too late to replace Buck seeing as how they had to meet that IMAX release date.
Yeah, he was announced as show runner before Iron Fist came out. When they announced it, my first reaction was that it was a positive sign for Iron Fist. I felt it showed Marvel had confidence that Scott Buck could do strange and fantastical concepts well since he was given the two strangest Marvel properties. I can say I was definitely wrong there. Although, to his credit, while he seems afraid of the weirdness, he's never explicitly changed it. Danny Rand still fought a dragon and the Inhumans still have a teleporting dog.

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I doubt Feige would be happy to see any Marvel property across any platform fail.

Any Marvel project failing can hurt the overall Marvel brand.

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Yeah, I think people are projecting their own dislike on an Inhumans project onto Kevin Feige. I think at most he might have a smug "I told you do" if he felt the project was unfilmable in any medium.

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Any property could be turn into a good film with the right people. I like Kevin Feige's consistent track record. But tossing away the Inhumans to TV is in my opinion a wrong decision.

Also, I get the feeling that Marvel TV wants to produce as much TV shows as they can (while the iron is hot), so that's not another problem. Film division doesn't plan to use this property now, TV division will pick it up and the finish product looks cheap.

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I think it's accurate to say Marvel TV will produce any project someone is willing to give them money to produce, while the movie side can only invest a certain amount of money at a time until the project is complete and they recoup their investment. It's just the difference between movies and TV.

I will give Freeform credit here. They paid to develop Cloak and Dagger and then, it seems, had them take their time to get it right (which I hope it will be, I can't say Freeform's opinion on what is "right" and mine are necessarily the same).

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His resume speaks for itself, and it's saying, "Stay the **** away from me! For the love of God, stay the **** away!!!!"

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We don't know Feige tossed the Inhumans to TV. The whole Feige doesn't care for the Inhumans and Ike was pushing for a movie thing is just a rumor.

Inhumans may not of been a property Feige was the most passionate about but that doesn't mean he was against them having a movie all together.

Kevin Feige said he liked Drew Pearce Runaways script but he just didn't see a place for it in the movies current line up and now that property is a TV series.

Realistically Marvel and the other studios can only produce so many movies a year without pushing into over saturation territory. Not every character is going to get a movie trilogy.

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No, but they need to put some of this stuff on the backburner. They're eventually gonna need to dip their toes into some of the lesser known properties, and I'd hate for them to have wasted them on unnecessary TV shows. Now, if they're quality, that's one thing, but if for every DD we get an Inhumans...just leave it be and come back to it later.

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No, but they need to put some of this stuff on the backburner. They're eventually gonna need to dip their toes into some of the lesser known properties, and I'd hate for them to have wasted them on unnecessary TV shows. Now, if they're quality, that's one thing, but if for every DD we get an Inhumans...just leave it be and come back to it later.
Exactly..... Marvel and James Gunn do seem to be hinting at that Guardians of the Galaxy cosmic cinematic universe as the future of the MCU. You would think Fiege would save the Inhumans for that.

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