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Old 07-21-2018, 09:28 AM   #401
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All I would ask of those who think Gunn’s firing is too harsh would be to think about how differently they’d feel about the situation if it wasn’t regarding somebody whose movies they like.
I'd feel the same way. I hate the idea of anyone losing their job for dumb stuff they said before they signed on with their employer. As far as we know Gunn's been a good soldier in the Mouse's army. He's behaved responsibly and made some damn good films. In my opinion that should carry a lot more weight than (admittedly awful) "jokes" he made on the Twitter machine before he was hired.

And as others have stated, is Horn going to be consistent in dispersing retroactive justice to all his employees and contractors? If so it's going to be a blood bath at the all new Dis-Fox!

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Again, the most surprising thing to me in all of this is that those tweets were left up for the world to see all these years later.
Yeah

I mean if I was a celebrity I'd just so what Pegg ended up doing after his little thing and just have a marketing Twitter account. Personal Twitter accounts when your famous is just asking for trouble


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It is fair to discuss the past.
I'm not against that. I get that the public image of Disney doesn't go along with Gunn's past behavior, but it just feels like an excuse for something else. Maybe the script for Vol. 3 is ****? Change of plans for MCU post-A4? I don't know, it's not like Gunn was hiding his past. Both twitter and artistic.

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I highly doubt that this has anything to do with the script of Vol. 3. Though I do wonder what this means for the script going forward. I assume Gunn was already writing it. Will they be using any of his ideas and if so, will they still give him a writing credit?

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I highly doubt that this has anything to do with the script of Vol. 3. Though I do wonder what this means for the script going forward. I assume Gunn was already writing it. Will they be using any of his ideas and if so, will they still give him a writing credit?
I feel confident in saying that they're going to use his script. He won't direct the movie but all the work he's done up until now will be used so yeah, he'll probably have a story and script credit.

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James Gunn's constant, daily ranting and raving about his anti-Trump sentiments may have played into this decision with some Disney execs, whether they admit it or not.

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Old 07-21-2018, 10:44 AM   #407
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I doubt it. I see tons of celebs like Mark Hamill, Stephen King (whom I think Trump even blocked from his Twitter account) talking crap about Trump just about every day.

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I doubt it. I see tons of celebs like Mark Hamill, Stephen King (whom I think Trump even blocked from his Twitter account) talking crap about Trump just about every day.
Yeah, I don't think it was anything diabolical like Trump and the Illuminati came after Gunn.

Gunn just decided to build the biggest glass house in history!

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Old 07-21-2018, 11:24 AM   #409
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Gunn just decided to build the biggest glass house in history!
That really is what it comes down to. Again, I'm shocked how easily avoidable all of this was.

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That really is what it comes down to. Again, I'm shocked how easily avoidable all of this was.
It beggars belief that someone would first tweet such vile crap, and then when they became so high profile, didnt go back and delete them. Sadly suggests to me that Gunn wasn't so bothered about them, or felt that bad, until they got him fired.

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It beggars belief that someone would first tweet such vile crap, and then when they became so high profile, didnt go back and delete them. Sadly suggests to me that Gunn wasn't so bothered about them, or felt that bad, until they got him fired.
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and still they hired him. AFTER Tromeo & Juliet, AFTER PG Porn. his humor was known and was one of the reasons why he was chosen to direct GotG.
Before GOTG, he did Movie 43. He did Super.
His humor was known.

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It's because of this:

Before GOTG, he did Movie 43. He did Super.
His humor was known.
Yes, I've seen both of those. Super was okay, and Beezel the cat made me laugh a bit.

None of that stuff is really up there with laughing at people with AIDS, discussing raping sleeping women, talking about forcing children to perform oral sex, or laughing at holocaust victims... with absolutely no fictional narrative context for any of it. Because context always, always matters.

And leaving it all proudly in place for years on Twitter, while he was 'apparently growing' as a person.

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The guy who dug up dirt is also pretty disgusting.

https://www.thewrap.com/meet-mike-ce...es-gunn-fired/
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James Gunn's constant, daily ranting and raving about his anti-Trump sentiments may have played into this decision with some Disney execs, whether they admit it or not.
I doubt his political opinions factored into his firing. A number of Marvel directors use their social media accounts to voice political and social issue views. Ant-Man director Peyton Reed has been vocally anti-Trump on his twitter for years.

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Just posted this in the Gunn thread, but since we're talking about it here I'll share it here too.

This is a tough topic for me. I trained as an advocate for survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault, and performed in programs geared towards educating and helping people who have been touched by these things in their life. So on one hand, I completely understand the zero tolerance level. And I even think it's not a bad thing.

On the other...I do think we need to evaluate how people have possibly changed. But I also understand how that can easily be made into a slippery slope that just defends people who have done bad things. Still...it does remind me of the phrase "Sometimes the woke need to remember to allow time for the waking." It wasn't until I went through over 40 hours of intensive training on the subject of sexual assault, domestic violence, and stalking, that I realized how as a young man, I never questioned cultural norms that perpetuate sexual violence at worst, and sexual power imbalances at best. I didn't know because I was a straight white dude and I didn't think enough about how maybe not everybody got the same equal deck of "life cards" I did. And I certainly made off color jokes as a teen/college kid just to be shocking.

The difference there being that I was a teenager/early 20 year old when I made jokes like that, and when I got educated, I stopped. Still, had I made those kinds of jokes on twitter, would it suck if I lost a job because of them ten years down the line? Yeah, it would. But I suppose I would probably be upfront about the fact that I did make mistakes when I was younger beforehand in that.

So...I'm not sure. I feel a bit bad for Gunn, but I also understand the zero tolerance policy. And at the end of the day I'd rather we be a bit too harsh than a bit too lenient.

However, the other issue I think we have to look at is who the person who called him out was. In some ways, I'm less concerned about a rich director not getting that Mouse money than I am that a studio was willing to listen to an alt-right troll who himself has said horrible things and is pretending outrage simply to attack someone with different views than himself. Not only that, but he brings up tweets that had been brought up publicly and Gunn had addressed publicly in the past, after he had filmed the first GOTG movie. And his firing is coming from a company that still employs Johnny Depp, someone who know has actually hurt others, not just said horrible things. So the clear double standard is frustrating, and also I think an indication that Disney is doing this less because of any sense of moral obligation and more because they want to avoid a potential controversy.

But again, I do think there need to be repercussions for your actions...while also not continuing to punish people if we believe they have done their due diligence to make up for their wrongs.

All of which is to say...I'm not sure what I feel about this. But I do think it's more complicated than some are treating it. And I'm more worried about the possible precedent this could set with Studios and how they handle directors in these franchises going forward.

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Just posted this in the Gunn thread, but since we're talking about it here I'll share it here too.

All of which is to say...I'm not sure what I feel about this. But I do think it's more complicated than some are treating it. And I'm more worried about the possible precedent this could set with Studios and how they handle directors in these franchises going forward.
Meh, they will just start asking directors if they've made any comments on social media that can violate a morals clause that i'm pretty sure every Studio employee signs anyway...

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Well, Shazam certainly had a trailer. Definitely a trailer.

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So talk from those making WW and Shazam, both seem to be a strong indication that Snyder's doom and gloom is gone for good.

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Well, Shazam certainly had a trailer. Definitely a trailer.
Yeah... I mean I like the idea. But it doesn't look good imo. Especially Captain Marvel himself. He looks so obviously in a suit, you'd think he was in an old school TMNT suit or something the way he is moving.

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I think Shazam looked really good. Need to see more of the action. But it for sure looks like something I'd enjoy

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Shazam looks awesome in my opinion, and WW 1984 sounds brilliant. currently, WW 1984 is my most anticipated DC film!

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There isn't much about WW, but considering they are coming off the first film and Patty seems fully in charge, I am hyped for it.

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Wasn’t feeling Shazam at all, but the trailer won me over. I’m now more interested than I’ve ever been.

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Wait, is Nicole Kidman in Aquaman?

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