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Old 02-10-2013, 03:13 PM   #1
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we need a thread for this.

I think some need to tamper their wishlist.Days of future past will be between 2 hours and 2 hours and 20 minutes.

You have Xavier and returning X-Men(Beast,Havok,Banshee) that makes 4 characters.Add Magneto and his defente retuing brotherhood(Mystique,Emma
Frost,Azarel) that brings us up to 8 characters.The target of assassination makes 9.We all know for some length wolverine will be In film so that brings us
up to 10.If angel and Riptide are still among the brotherhood that brings Us up to 12.If Moira Is In film that poential brings us up to 13.ThIs Is not even at thefuture sequenzes yet(which could be where all of wolverine's screen time will be) we are already at 10 or 13 characters.Older versions of Xavier,Magneto,and Mystique may be In future sequenzes.

You have possibly of Jean,Cyclops,Storm,and Rogue In future sequenzes.This leaves us with at least 14 Characters.17 If all the surviving first Class
characters make It Into days of future past.Plus you have the sentinles In future.

This means It's unlikley besides target of assassination to have any new characters Introduced Inless there Is 1 mutant taking place of angel and Riptide among the brotherhood.New cast members are mostly going to be returning from X-Men/X2

Fox may not even have the rights to Cable.But besides that If they are going to do a time travel crossover why would they take time away from familar to general audence characters for Cable or Bishop who haven't been popular In years.I firmly believe If wolverine Isn't time traveler.

I haven't mentioned Kitty.There Is good reason for that.The possibilbe return of Jean suggests the following.They are Ignoring The Last Stand for the future sequenzes.The advantage Is they can also bring back Cyclops.Plus It Is unknown If they could even get ellen Page to conisder reuring assuming
her contract Isn't valid.

Some keep hoping another group of villains causes the assassination.With all the characters mentioned that Isn't fesable.

Some people mention things that are days of future past In name only.Bryan singer hinted at combining things from storyline and new stuff.The point Is there will be things from oirignal story In film.X2 took things from God Loves Man kills like Xavier and Cyclops being captured.Xavier being tricked(In comics It was drugs In film It was by stryker's mastermind like son) the X-Men on run,being saved by Magneto,and X-Men and Magneto against stryker.

Now we are going to be deabting what exactly they are using and what they are adding till more information comes available.But,my suspecion Is we will get future several years after X2 with sentinles.A Time travel plan to warn the first Class era X-Men.The brotherhood through Mystique having inflirated government,and brotherhood planning assassination and Sentinles Vs surving X-Men In future and X-Men Vs Brotherhood In past.

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Thanks, clears things up a bit.

I think his statement is just a lame excuse
Alternatively, he might mean by that odd phrase 'deal-making aspect' that Halle's appearance isn't a deal-breaker - in other words, it won't make any different to the film if she says yes or no.

It all sounds a bit weird and hard to get a handle on.

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Alternatively, he might mean by that odd phrase 'deal-making aspect' that Halle's appearance isn't a deal-breaker - in other words, it won't make any different to the film if she says yes or no.

It all sounds a bit weird and hard to get a handle on.
In other words, we should all interpret it the way we so desire and jump to conclusions as a means to *****.

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In other words, we should all interpret it the way we so desire and jump to conclusions as a means to *****.
Hell yeah, I mean isn't that exactly what we're all doing on here in this vacuum of news and information?!

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It all sounds a bit weird and hard to get a handle on.
I didn't sound weird to me. It sounded like a careful and polite way of saying that he has no plans to put her in it.

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I didn't sound weird to me. It sounded like a careful and polite way of saying that he has no plans to put her in it.
I dunno. Bryan is not one to mince words. The film starts shooting in 2 months; what would be the point? If she wasn't in the plan at all Bryan would've just come right out and said so. He knows fans want her back; to tease us with "Maybe/Maybe Not" and then follow up with "Not" would be less than polite.

He said it wasn't a contractual issue which basically means Halle is open to doing it. It's in his hands and the storyline's needs. If he DOES bring her back--even if it's last minute--can you imagine what it would do for fans (like myself) who have always believed he cared little for the character? It'd be like uniting a fractured Democratic fanbase between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton!

We'd truly be "united" then.


That said, he better not be f***ing around with us! LOL

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I dunno. Bryan is not one to mince words. If she wasn't in the plan at all he would've just come right out and said so.
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I dunno. Bryan is not one to mince words. The film starts shooting in 2 months; what would be the point? If she wasn't in the plan at all Bryan would've just come right out and said so. He knows fans want her back; to tease us with "Maybe/Maybe Not" and then follow up with "Not" would be less than polite.

He said it wasn't a contractual issue which basically means Halle is open to doing it. It's in his hands and the storyline's needs. If he DOES bring her back--even if it's last minute--can you imagine what it would do for fans (like myself) who have always believed he cared little for the character? It'd be like uniting a fractured Democratic fanbase between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton!

We'd truly be "united" then.


That said, he better not be f***ing around with us! LOL
Completely agree!

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Maybe Singer's just being coy. Maybe he is waiting to announce Halle's return. After all if Storm definitely wasn't in it why not just say that.

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Maybe Singer's just being coy. Maybe he is waiting to announce Halle's return. After all if Storm definitely wasn't in it why not just say that.
exactly. He would piss Storm fans even more if after his quote, some months later he ends saying she doesnt come back.

Fox producers probably love Halle and pushed Matthew, Simon and Bryan to include the character.

It was smart to announce Patrick, Ian and Hugh before the rest, including Halle. Because now that the fans are excited with all the characters announced to date, a Halle announcement now wouldnt piss the haters as much as it would have done if she would have been the very first name, back on October/Nov.

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It was smart to announce Patrick, Ian and Hugh before the rest, including Halle. Because now that the fans are excited with all the characters announced to date, a Halle announcement now wouldnt piss the haters as much as it would have done if she would have been the very first name, back on October/Nov.
Well, the four top billed actors of the original trilogy were Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry. By time X3 rolled around, Jackman and Berry were the franchise's top billed stars. And--love her or hate her--Halle Berry is this franchise's lead actress--even over Famke Janssen or Anna Paquin (she certainly made more than them salary-wise). FOX even manipulated screen-time in X3 for her at the expense of Famke--who should've rightfully had more as Dark Phoenix. So it makes total sense to secure the fanbase with 3 of the four big names up front. Hopefully they'll close the deal with Berry's inclusion.


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By time X3 rolled around, Jackman and Berry were the franchise's top billed stars. And--love her or hate her--Halle Berry is this franchise's lead actress--even over Famke Janssen or Anna Paquin (she certainly made more than them salary-wise). FOX even manipulated screen-time in X3 for her at the expense of Famke--who should've rightfully had more as Dark Phoenix. So it makes total sense to secure the fanbase with 3 of the four big names up front. Hopefully they'll close the deal with Berry's inclusion.
??? Precisely. And this is your reason to invite Berry back? Because -- at the actress's demand -- her character was already manipulated to the films' forefront more than once (and artificially, at that)?

(Lightning: I like you and know you've been around for a while, but really?)

Yes, maneuvering has its place in Hollywood. But do you have any better justification for Storm being in the film other than "the fans deserve it"?

People also seem to be assuming that the character/actress were part of the equation from the beginning, when maybe...they weren't.

NanaT wrote that she "rightfully deserves to be in this movie." Her position at the end of the last film, or previous treatment therein, doesn't "entitle" the actress or her character to anything.

No character or person "rightfully deserves" anything in life. There are no "just deserves" -- only reality and fantasy. Hollywood operates on the borderline of both, yes.*

This is not what you want to hear...but the cold, hard reality is that hardcore fans don't account for enough box office to truly have any significant impact on a studio/franchise matter such as this.

Bottom line -- if Singer wants her in the film, he'll find a way...and it sounds (however vaguely) like he doesn't.


*(This is the same issue people seem to be hung up on about B. Routh and Superman, by the way. Starring in a $200m Hollywood franchise product doesn't automatically secure you a lifetime pass for continued success and all the roles you desire. No need to "feel sorry" for the guy, it's just business.)



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??? Precisely. And this is your reason to invite Berry back? Because -- at the actress's demand -- her character was already manipulated to the films' forefront more than once (and artificially, at that)?

(Lightning: I like you and know you've been around for a while, but really?)

Yes, maneuvering has its place in Hollywood. But do you have any better justification for Storm being in the film other than "the fans deserve it"?

People also seem to be assuming that the character/actress were part of the equation from the beginning, when maybe...they weren't.

NanaT wrote that she "rightfully deserves to be in this movie." Her position at the end of the last film, or previous treatment therein, doesn't "entitle" the actress or her character to anything.

No character or person "rightfully deserves" anything in life. There are no "just deserves" -- only reality and fantasy. Hollywood operates on the borderline of both, yes.*

This is not what you want to hear...but the cold, hard reality is that hardcore fans don't account for enough box office to truly have any significant impact on a studio/franchise matter such as this.

Bottom line -- if Singer wants her in the film, he'll find a way...and it sounds (however vaguely) like he doesn't.


*(This is the same issue people seem to be hung up on about B. Routh and Superman, by the way. Starring in a $200m Hollywood franchise product doesn't automatically secure you a lifetime pass for continued success and all the roles you desire. No need to "feel sorry" for the guy, it's just business.)


This post is perfect. Well said, sir.

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before Brett Ratner took over the draft by Simon Kinberg/Zack Penn/Matthew Vaughn had more a triangle between Rogye,Iceman,and Kitty and had Rogue
attending brotherhood meetings to get people to question If she was going to turn her back on X-men.That draft which had more for rogue also had
decent role for storm.There was going to a wolverine/Storm hookup after Xavier's so called death.Rogue was treated horrable after ratner took over
and Kinberg and Penn did rewrite to suit Ratner before filming beguin.It's true they had a short window for Anna Paquin since she committed to
margaret before seucring deal to return for last STand But It was ratner who decided for rogue to take cure which lauren Shueller Donnor even openly admits
on commantary for last Stand she was oppossed to.

I don't think It's fair to entirely blame Halle Berry for shortcahnging other females for last Stand.

A reason why we may be getting both Kitty and Rogue for DOFP Is because Anna may not be able to start work on DOFP till June because of true Blood.
Plus with Ellen Page signed to make her directoral debut with small film that might be clue her screentime may be limited to future scenes.

People are getting ahead of themselves.Bryan Singer Is only going to announce people when he Is ready.He gave answer about Halle because
he was directly asked about her.Have people learned nothing from Shawn Ashmore saying he knew nothing about DOFP and a couple of days later bryan
announced his return.

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??? Precisely. And this is your reason to invite Berry back? Because -- at the actress's demand -- her character was already manipulated to the films' forefront more than once (and artificially, at that)?

(Lightning: I like you and know you've been around for a while, but really?)

Yes, maneuvering has its place in Hollywood. But do you have any better justification for Storm being in the film other than "the fans deserve it"?

People also seem to be assuming that the character/actress were part of the equation from the beginning, when maybe...they weren't.

NanaT wrote that she "rightfully deserves to be in this movie." Her position at the end of the last film, or previous treatment therein, doesn't "entitle" the actress or her character to anything.

No character or person "rightfully deserves" anything in life. There are no "just deserves" -- only reality and fantasy. Hollywood operates on the borderline of both, yes.*

This is not what you want to hear...but the cold, hard reality is that hardcore fans don't account for enough box office to truly have any significant impact on a studio/franchise matter such as this.

Bottom line -- if Singer wants her in the film, he'll find a way...and it sounds (however vaguely) like he doesn't.


*(This is the same issue people seem to be hung up on about B. Routh and Superman, by the way. Starring in a $200m Hollywood franchise product doesn't automatically secure you a lifetime pass for continued success and all the roles you desire. No need to "feel sorry" for the guy, it's just business.)


Good points JackMercy!

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??? Precisely. And this is your reason to invite Berry back? Because -- at the actress's demand -- her character was already manipulated to the films' forefront more than once (and artificially, at that)?

(Lightning: I like you and know you've been around for a while, but really?)

Yes, maneuvering has its place in Hollywood. But do you have any better justification for Storm being in the film other than "the fans deserve it"?

People also seem to be assuming that the character/actress were part of the equation from the beginning, when maybe...they weren't.
I believe you're oversimplifying my post. That's not my main reason for saying the character should be in DoFP. To the contrary, it's because that's what's in the source material.

Now...if we're saying "To hell with the DoFP storyline" (which is sacred for most of us 616ers) then that's fine. But to imply that we're saying Storm should be forced into this film "just because" we want to see her (or Halle Berry) is missing the entire point.

The facts are crystal clear:

1.) X3 left Storm in charge as Headmistress while Xavier and Scott were MIA

2.) This film is a future event post-X3

3.) The Days Of Future Past source material calls for Storm to have a role in the storyline


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NanaT wrote that she "rightfully deserves to be in this movie." Her position at the end of the last film, or previous treatment therein, doesn't "entitle" the actress or her character to anything.

No character or person "rightfully deserves" anything in life. There are no "just deserves" -- only reality and fantasy. Hollywood operates on the borderline of both, yes.*

This is not what you want to hear...but the cold, hard reality is that hardcore fans don't account for enough box office to truly have any significant impact on a studio/franchise matter such as this.

Bottom line -- if Singer wants her in the film, he'll find a way...and it sounds (however vaguely) like he doesn't.
And therein lies the misunderstanding.

I don't really give a damn about the studio politics, or who got more screen-time at the expense of who in 2006. Those of us who were in this forum 7 years ago have had those arguments and they're old as hell now. But the truth? Those politics have created a narrative that we can't just suddenly (and conveniently) forget as you and this X4ever user are suggesting.

Bottom line: No one is crying for Storm to be the lead girl here at all. No. Body. But yes, the character certainly does have a right to be in the film and it's important to differentiate the character of Storm from the actress Halle Berry. Let's not confuse who has actual rights. If DoFP was written differently it'd be different. Does Halle Berry have "rights" to anything? No. I agree with you. But the character she's playing is an entirely different story. Do you disagree with that? Honestly?

Therefore...there won't be any of this s*** happening either.




If this film is a sequel to X3, they need to treat it as such. And that means there are loose ends. One of them involves Storm and it's just that simple.


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Well, the four top billed actors of the original trilogy were Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry. By time X3 rolled around, Jackman and Berry were the franchise's top billed stars. And--love her or hate her--Halle Berry is this franchise's lead actress--even over Famke Janssen or Anna Paquin (she certainly made more than them salary-wise). FOX even manipulated screen-time in X3 for her at the expense of Famke--who should've rightfully had more as Dark Phoenix. So it makes total sense to secure the fanbase with 3 of the four big names up front. Hopefully they'll close the deal with Berry's inclusion.

I'm not sure what this "lead actress" means but if you mean "female lead" you are completely wrong. Halle was the biggest female star and the first female listed in the credits but that has nothing to do with who is the lead in a film.

In your other post you talk about Storm having some kind of lead in the films, but I strongly disagree. She is a textbook supporting character (and a poor one at that because she has unneeded screentime).

Film Storm as a character is extremely flat: she has no arc, we know nothing about her goals/desires, we know nothing about her past, and we know little to nothing about her relationship with the other X-men (most notably the protagonist and antagonist of each movie). Storm as a character has little or nothing that carries from film to film, Storm has no substantive involvement in the climaxes of ANY of the films. Actions that storm does take do not arise organically out her character: she just does stuff because someone has to do it for the sake of the story or because there's nothing else for her to do. Finally, Storm could easily be written out of each of the films without affecting the structure or integrity of the plot!

If you can present anything to dispute this, I would be very interested in hearing it (maybe you will prove me wrong!). I still think anyone who has ever written a script or knows anything about film structure or script development can recognize the pointlessness of the Storm character.


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I'm not sure what this "lead actress" means but if you mean "female lead" you are completely wrong. Halle was the biggest female star and the first female listed in the credits but that has nothing to do with who is the lead in a film.

In your other post you talk about Storm having some kind of lead in the films, but I strongly disagree. She is a textbook supporting character (and a poor one at that because she has unneeded screentime).

Film Storm as a character is extremely flat: she has no arc, we know nothing about her goals/desires or her past, we know nothing about her past, and we know little to nothing about her relationship with the other X-men (most notably the protagonist and antagonist of each movie).

Storm as a character has little or nothing that carries from film to film, Storm has no substantive involvement in the climaxes of ANY of the films. Actions that storm does take do not arise organically out her character: she just does stuff because someone has to do it for the sake of the story or because there's nothing else for her to do. Finally, Storm could easily be written out of each of the films without affecting the structure or integrity of the plot!

If you can present anything to dispute this, I would be very interested in hearing it (maybe you will prove me wrong!). I still think anyone who has ever written a script or knows anything about film structure or script development can recognize the pointlessness of the Storm character.
Well having your name at the top of the poster along with Hugh Jackman, I think that makes you the "lead actress" even if your role isn't that important to the story of the movie.

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I'm not sure what this "lead actress" means but if you mean "female lead" you are completely wrong. Halle was the biggest female star and the first female listed in the credits but that has nothing to do with who is the lead in a film.

In your other post you talk about Storm having some kind of lead in the films, but I strongly disagree. She is a textbook supporting character (and a poor one at that because she has unneeded screentime).

Film Storm as a character is extremely flat: she has no arc, we know nothing about her goals/desires or her past, we know nothing about her past, and we know little to nothing about her relationship with the other X-men (most notably the protagonist and antagonist of each movie).


Storm as a character has little or nothing that carries from film to film, Storm has no substantive involvement in the climaxes of ANY of the films. Actions that storm does take do not arise organically out her character: she just does stuff because someone has to do it for the sake of the story or because there's nothing else for her to do. Finally, Storm could easily be written out of each of the films without affecting the structure or integrity of the plot!

If you can present anything to dispute this, I would be very interested in hearing it (maybe you will prove me wrong!). I still think anyone who has ever written a script or knows anything about film structure or script development can recognize the pointlessness of the Storm character.
Actually I agree with much of what you said, especially what I bolded above.

However, Halle Berry was the top billed actress in the credits. It's her face that was pushed to the front of all the marketing materials, posters, promo and trailers, etc. Yes, it was an ensemble film series, but when people look back it is Hugh and Halle's star power that dominated the most.

And with X3 I do believe she moved into full position as the lead actress of that particular film. The storyline was basically "The Adventures Of Logan and Storm". This was made easier because Jean had defected to the "Bad People Side" and Rogue wanted out of her own skin. So those story arcs came to a conclusion beyond the realms of the film's main protagonists.

That left Halle as the last woman really standing...literally by the graves of 3 classic X-Members. I hated that part so much. I really wanted Storm to be developed properly but not at the expense of others. However, I am fierce to defend Storm because in the X3 storyline if anyone needed to give up more time it should've been Logan. It should've been Scott and Storm hunting down Phoenix, or at best all three of them.

Now THAT'S studio politics. And to blame Halle Berry for the falling out between Singer/Fox/James Marsden/Superman Returns is utterly ridiculous.

But that's a debate for another thread.

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Storm as a character has little or nothing that carries from film to film, Storm has no substantive involvement in the climaxes of ANY of the films.
I do, however, disagree with this. She 'saved the day' in X2 by realizing the only way to manipulate Jason's telepathic hold on Xavier was to manipulate Jason himself. When you think about it, it was actually quite genius writing on Singer & Co.'s part. And it was certainly part of X2's main climax. Her actions undermined Magneto's attempt to frame Charles Xavier as a mass murderer and saved humankind. How is that not substantive involvement????

The only thing that would carry over to this film from X3 is her Headmistress role. And that's because the only other viable leaders (Scott and Charles) are dead/missing. You can't explain her absence without putting someone else in charge or just taking the School For The Gifted out of the equation completely.

And who knows...that may happen. We'll see.


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Old 02-10-2013, 03:19 PM   #22
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Wouldn't have it any other way.

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LOL May I just point out how many SHH Hype Members on this thread have Storm and/or Storm-inspired avatars right now? I mean...check it out. And this is the way it is in comic book forums across the internet. The character is beloved. We've been patient and supported the films without her inclusion for a few years now...hopefully Singer & Co. will remember that and throw us a bone already. LOL

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Seeing Thor in action in Avengers/Thor as well - this would be a great opportunity to showcase visually epic Storm power displays.

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Old 02-10-2013, 03:57 PM   #25
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People need to remember If Storm Is In film she will only be In future scenes.And word has leaked most of film Is set In 1973.

With Xavier In future he will be leader of X-men.Plus you have both Wolverine and Magneto In future not to mention Rogue and Kitty.You have to give them all a bit of focus.

With all the complaints over Halle Berry's performance as storm It's funny some are going she has to be In film.Also remember both ant-Man/Ginat-Man and wasp were left out of avengers.

It's better for them tp pick characters which fit their interpation of Days of future past than just trying to throw In characters.

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