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Old 02-10-2013, 02:18 PM   #201
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Am I the only one that found the huge emotional discussion between Billy and Ted way too heavy-handed? It was 3 whole pages of sap.

I feel like half of the interactions we see between those two are big dramatic speeches. I'm sure Marvel is proud of their high-profile gay couple, but they need to reign it in a bit.

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Old 02-10-2013, 02:55 PM   #202
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They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. We have decades of emotional stories between marvels straight couples. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for marvel to treat a gay couple the same. Lord knows we've had FAR more sappy soap opera drama between Scott & Jean, Peter & Mj, rogue & gambit, hank & Janet, Bruce & betty, etc etc etc.....

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Old 02-10-2013, 05:22 PM   #203
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Yeah, but those characters have been around for decades. These guys have been around for 8 years, and I'm already sick of seeing scenes like that between them. Instead of portraying them like a regular couple, we have to sit through that overwrought "I love you more than anything in the entire universe" **** in every storyline.

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Old 02-10-2013, 08:09 PM   #204
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Whatever happened to Novar? He was on the Dark Avengers, apperently slept with Moonstone and then suddenly was gone. Then showed up in Avengers as the Protector and then I stopped reading so I don't know what happened to him there. But did they EVER explain what happened to him in Dark Avengers? The cover of the comic showed him on the run from the Symbiot, but they never showed anything. One issue he was sleeping with Moonstone, and the next he was gone and she said he ran off and she moved on to Bullseye. Anyone know what happened or where it was explained?
He just sort of roamed while trying to get his life together, eventually fought the Dark Avengers, had a conversation with the Supreme Intelligence, and became Protector. It all happened in Dark Avengers Annual 1.

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Old 02-10-2013, 09:30 PM   #205
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Well Billy and Teddy are the emotional crux of this storyline. It has to come from somewhere, and they make the most sense. It's not going to come from Kate, Marvel Boy, Loki, or Miss America Chavez.

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Old 02-10-2013, 09:32 PM   #206
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Well Billy and Teddy are the emotional crux of this storyline. It has to come from somewhere, and they make the most sense. It's not going to come from Kate, Marvel Boy, Loki, or Miss America Chavez.
i gotta agree with that...

this story-line is shaping to be centered around them (and whatever loki is doing with spying on billy)

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Old 02-10-2013, 10:02 PM   #207
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Every story seems to revolve around them, though. Even Children's Crusade had a large focus on their relationship and Teddy's support for Billy going to find Scarlet Witch. Focus on somebody else for once.

I'm glad that Marvel has a healthy gay couple to portray, but like I said before I think they're over-doing it.

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Old 02-10-2013, 10:36 PM   #208
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Children's Crusade and one issue of Young Avengers isn't overdoing it. The vast majority of story lines revolve around hetero heroes and relationships. Billy and Teddy are important to the Young Avengers and always have been. Just like Scott and Jean since back in the 60s (for example).

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:50 PM   #209
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Children's Crusade and one issue of Young Avengers isn't overdoing it. The vast majority of story lines revolve around hetero heroes and relationships. Billy and Teddy are important to the Young Avengers and always have been. Just like Scott and Jean since back in the 60s (for example).
Agrees.

Especially with the team disbanded they're sorta the center of it. Kates great but i don't always think its easy to focus a story on her spoiled rich girl life...

But they had to introduce us to the new team using the founding members... So i think wiccan and teddy are no brainers for that.

Couple that with the fact the talk they had was going to happen eventually... The relationship was straining a little at the end of children's crusade and they sorta have this " are they really engaged?" thing going on now too

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:51 PM   #210
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Also.... Children's crusade was centered on wanda and wiccan. I don't think teddy was focused on much in that either

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Every story seems to revolve around them, though. Even Children's Crusade had a large focus on their relationship and Teddy's support for Billy going to find Scarlet Witch. Focus on somebody else for once.

I'm glad that Marvel has a healthy gay couple to portray, but like I said before I think they're over-doing it.
Same. It was too mooshey, I think it just patronizes them.

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I didn't like the mooshiness for the simple fact that I don't like mooshiness.

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Comic Vine talked about it like this, sometimes they too feel Wiccan and Hulkling's relationship is shown too much or too mooshie I guess, but they said that its sort of like they are trying to make up for how few gay couples there are in comics. We have had lots of scenes where Peter and MJ are mooshie, even scenes where Peter and MJ get intimate and the camera cuts away or something. And we have had scenes between Reed and Sue, and scenes between many Marvel straight couples. Just as mooshie.


But they are a gay couple and there aren't many out in comics. So they can sometimes push it too much or dwell on it too much I guess.
Also, like someone mentioned, they are the center of the story. They are the emotional anchor so that anchor needs to be presented.
And also, maybe, it just seem so over the top and mooshie because they are a gay couple and there aren't many so when that is shown it is very visible.

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Old 02-15-2013, 12:45 AM   #215
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Comic Vine talked about it like this, sometimes they too feel Wiccan and Hulkling's relationship is shown too much or too mooshie I guess, but they said that its sort of like they are trying to make up for how few gay couples there are in comics. We have had lots of scenes where Peter and MJ are mooshie, even scenes where Peter and MJ get intimate and the camera cuts away or something. And we have had scenes between Reed and Sue, and scenes between many Marvel straight couples. Just as mooshie.


But they are a gay couple and there aren't many out in comics. So they can sometimes push it too much or dwell on it too much I guess.
Also, like someone mentioned, they are the center of the story. They are the emotional anchor so that anchor needs to be presented.
And also, maybe, it just seem so over the top and mooshie because they are a gay couple and there aren't many so when that is shown it is very visible.
Ugh, that Spider-Man panel is too mushy for me. I don't like mushy.

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I actually don't mind that one due to the plot around it. He thought she'd died and then rescued her only to result in them separating. After quite a bit of time they finally got back together and that was the end result. After having lost her (twice) that mooshiness, and thanking God for her, was very heartfelt... not just mooshy.

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JMS wrote the best Spider-man relationships. With Mary Jane and with Aunt May. He really nailed how the relationships worked.

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Old 02-15-2013, 02:24 PM   #218
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Ugh, that Spider-Man panel is too mushy for me. I don't like mushy.
It was a mushy time in Spider-Man's life. They had been estranged for quite a while leading up to that. It worked real well at the time, trust me.

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Nah, I prefer this type of relationship:


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See, that right there told us as much about their Luke and Jess's relationship as 3 pages of dialogue could have.

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Exactly. A good, well written page is enough. Gives more time for super-hero stuff!

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.... you can't do that all the time. it becomes emotionless.not to mention these panels are completely out of context.. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

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You're right. But since we've gotten romantic speeches from Billy and Teddy before, something like this would have worked just fine.

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You're right. But since we've gotten romantic speeches from Billy and Teddy before, something like this would have worked just fine.
I don't think so.. a scene like this explained absolutely nothing like what they were going through, and there's alot that needed to be said to get the dynamic on what's been happening between the two of them. It's the first real relationship conflict they've had

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I recognize the need to set up status quo and the dynamic, and that's one of the purposes the speech served. It just felt like an over-dramatic exposition to me. It told us how much Billy and Teddy love each other instead of showing us.

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