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Old 08-29-2014, 07:22 PM   #601
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Ha, this is great. Imagine this exact scene with Amy as the silhouette and Henry getting excited.

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Old 08-29-2014, 11:14 PM   #602
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:34 AM   #604
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, God forbid Lois unbuttons one button on her blouse and Clark levels Metropolis with that heat vision.

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Well I couldn't find the page in between, but essentially Superman told Batman that there's a darkness within him and that he (Batman) is less connected to humanity than him.

Here's the whole exchange from that page:

Batman (with a smirk): I guess you do have something to get off your chest...

Superman: My life is motivated by what I believe is love, while yours... there's a darkness in you that's ugly. Very ugly... and it will kill you."

Batman: "Nothing can kill me. Anything that tries makes me stronger."

Superman: "You're less connected to humanity than I am."

Batman: "You're here to save me?"

Superman: "I can't do that. You're the best, but I need you to be better. I need to know that you'll try to find peace."

Batman: "I will...when my war is over."

And then, this:


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Old 08-31-2014, 03:06 AM   #606
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That was definitely one of the most epic shots in MOS. I actually kind of would have liked to see them hold off on it until the end having him held down and then having him come out with that similar to the big reveal of Godzilla's atomic breathe in the last film.

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That was definitely one of the most epic shots in MOS. I actually kind of would have liked to see them hold off on it until the end having him held down and then having him come out with that similar to the big reveal of Godzilla's atomic breathe in the last film.
Agreed, even if they just showed up how he used his heat vision in the beginning of the movie, where only his eyes heat up instead of an actual beam.

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Well I couldn't find the page in between, but essentially Superman told Batman that there's a darkness within him and that he (Batman) is less connected to humanity than him.

Here's the whole exchange from that page:

Batman (with a smirk): I guess you do have something to get off your chest...

Superman: My life is motivated by what I believe is love, while yours... there's a darkness in you that's ugly. Very ugly... and it will kill you."

Batman: "Nothing can kill me. Anything that tries makes me stronger."

Superman: "You're less connected to humanity than I am."

Batman: "You're here to save me?"

Superman: "I can't do that. You're the best, but I need you to be better. I need to know that you'll try to find peace."

Batman: "I will...when my war is over."

And then, this:

I don't know what Superman means by "you're the best", and what I also don't understand is why suddenly Batman prefers to be called 'Bruce', whereas in most incarnations of Batman, Bruce seems to have always seen himself as Batman in a lind of arrogant way.

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I don't know what Superman means by "you're the best"
See second page: "Through sheer determined will, you've made yourself the best you can be." It's extension of this line. More so, by the "best" he was referring to Bruce's achievement of becoming peak human in many areas, but by "I need you to be better" he meant that he wanted him to be better than that obsessive darkness he always carries within him.

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and what I also don't understand is why suddenly Batman prefers to be called 'Bruce', whereas in most incarnations of Batman, Bruce seems to have always seen himself as Batman in a lind of arrogant way.
I believe it was mostly a ticked off response to Clarks insistence to be called Kal-El. You've got to read those issues to get full grasp behind that, though.
And also, don't forget that Bruce and Clark are friends and have always called one another on first name basis, so it's actually Superman who is out of character here (which was deliberate in this arc) when he calls Bruce "Batman" and Bruce responds to that.

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See second page: "Through sheer determined will, you've made yourself the best you can be." It's extension of this line. More so, by the "best" he was referring to Bruce's achievement of becoming peak human in many areas, but by "I need you to be better" he meant that he wanted him to be better than that obsessive darkness he always carries within him.



I believe it was mostly a ticked off response to Clarks insistence to be called Kal-El. You've got to read those issues to get full grasp behind that, though.
And also, don't forget that Bruce and Clark are friends and have always called one another on first name basis, so it's actually Superman who is out of character here (which was deliberate in this arc) when he calls Bruce "Batman" and Bruce responds to that.
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I hate this scene. Batman is depicted as a violent idiot (who tries to punch Superman for no reason) and Superman comes off as a boastful dick.

It completely fails to capture either character, and ends up making both look like bro douchebags. It's like someone decided to take the mindset fanboys have about the rivalry between Batman and Superman and actually apply it to the characters, like bad fan fiction. I understand that Superman wasn't in a great mindset in this story, but all the same.

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It's from 'For Tomorrow', isn't it? I want to pick in up, I've only read some pieces. Azzarello is brilliant. I wonder if how this take on Superman is.

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Yeah, it is from "For Tomorrow". It's good, though I found a pace of the narrative to stand out on some occasions and be either too slow or too fast, still not to a large degree.

It should be said that Superman in those issues is a bit more grim than what we're used to, but it makes sense within the storyline and, at least to me, it makes him more human and relatable. There's actually an interesting depiction of difference in how people see him as a godlike being and his inner conflicts and willingness to do what he perceives as right despite some of them.

And there's also some very well written inner monologue that shows that depth of his character and for that alone I'd recommend you to read it.

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It's from 'For Tomorrow', isn't it? I want to pick in up, I've only read some pieces. Azzarello is brilliant. I wonder if how this take on Superman is.
For Tomorrow vastly pales in comparison to Luthor.

However, a lot of people like Jim Lee's art, so you could buy it for that. It does try to get into the head of a Superman who has basically "lost" by the beginning, but doesn't really develop it.

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I hate this scene. Batman is depicted as a violent idiot (who tries to punch Superman for no reason) and Superman comes off as a boastful dick.

It completely fails to capture either character, and ends up making both look like bro douchebags. It's like someone decided to take the mindset fanboys have about the rivalry between Batman and Superman and actually apply it to the characters, like bad fan fiction. I understand that Superman wasn't in a great mindset in this story, but all the same.
I kind understand what you're talking about, it felt a bit forced when I was reading it for the first time, but it's not really the first and only time for Batman to react impulsively and trying to hit someone without a second thought. He is supposed to be a bit of jerk, especially when he's on the patrol and gets in that state of mind.

And I don't agree that it was for no reason, at least not for Batman... it's exactly how I'd expect him to react when someone suddenly turns up in his city and starts doing his job right in front of him (and also the police and witnesses), it was like Superman tried to humiliate him by showing his dominance over him to Batman and the people of Gotham.

Superman was definitely a bit jerk of here, but as I said before, and as you recognized it yourself, he is supposed to be out of his usual character in this arc.



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For Tomorrow vastly pales in comparison to Luthor.

However, a lot of people like Jim Lee's art, so you could buy it for that. It does try to get into the head of a Superman who has basically "lost" by the beginning, but doesn't really develop it.

I forgot to add that it indeed fell flat in the end.

But it had few very good moments of getting into Supermans head here and there.


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I'm confused. What story is that?

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I'm confused. What story is that?
Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. It's a Superman story told from Lex's point of view and it's amazing.

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Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is definitely my favorite Luthor story.

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If that's the only comic Eisenberg reads then I'd be happy.

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I actually just flipped through For Tomorrow because of this little discussion. And despite not being that great, particularly toward the ending, I think it could work really well as the premise for a film, particularly in this cinematic world.

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Speaking of Azzarello, this is one particularly move I want to see happening:


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There should be a scene with a parked Batmobile.


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I kind understand what you're talking about, it felt a bit forced when I was reading it for the first time, but it's not really the first and only time for Batman to react impulsively and trying to hit someone without a second thought. He is supposed to be a bit of jerk, especially when he's on the patrol and gets in that state of mind.

And I don't agree that it was for no reason, at least not for Batman... it's exactly how I'd expect him to react when someone suddenly turns up in his city and starts doing his job right in front of him (and also the police and witnesses), it was like Superman tried to humiliate him by showing his dominance over him to Batman and the people of Gotham.
I feel that any interpretation of Batman that depicts him as some kind of irrational, blindly territorial d-bag who is also stupid enough to try and punch Superman because he's beefin' over turf is, frankly, deeply misguided.

Yes, Batman can be a jerk, and he feels a sense of ownership of Gotham city--that doesn't make him a soccer hooligan who throws punches at guys because they're wearing the wrong colours.


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Give or take a few characters.


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