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Old 11-22-2017, 08:02 AM   #26
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I don't want Henry to leave or have the character rebooted but the situation isn't great for him right now. The best case scenario is the failure of JL knocks off several other DC films and WB refocuses on a solo Superman sequel. That's the glass half-fill approach.

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Why, oh why couldn't the suit have looked like this? Instead of those horrific, airbrushed muscles?

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Why, oh why couldn't the suit have looked like this? Instead of those horrific, airbrushed muscles?
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I do not want Vaughn to direct a Superman film. I've read many interviews with Vaughn, and combined with his frequent partnership with Mark Millar, there is nothing about his Superman and his style that is appealing to me in any way.

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I do not want Vaughn to direct a Superman film. I've read many interviews with Vaughn, and combined with his frequent partnership with Mark Millar, there is nothing about his Superman and his style that is appealing to me in any way.
I agree he needs to distance himself from Millar, nasty little man that he is.

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Audiences love him as Superman, especially now right after JL.
I don't think they do unfortunately, but it isn't his fault. He hasn't really been given a clear run at it in his last two appearances and because of this, the character still feels like a stranger/undercooked to the casual.

I keep saying it but poor Henry has been one of the biggest casualties of all this drama surrounding the franchise.

I have no problem with him staying in the role, but after JL it feels like the ship has sailed on making him happen.

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Are you saying Whedon's responsible for the excessively exaggerated muscle highlights on the Superman suit? Because I'm pretty sure we saw the same, final suit, with overstated musculature, as far back as September 2016 (Make-A-Wish photo), well before the Whedon-helmed reshoots stage of the film.

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Are you saying Whedon's responsible for the excessively exaggerated muscle highlights on the Superman suit? Because I'm pretty sure we saw the same, final suit, with overstated musculature, as far back as September 2016 (Make-A-Wish photo), well before the Whedon-helmed reshoots stage of the film.
As many said before, it's gotta do with cinematography and lighting. This is essentially the same suit in BvS, but the lighting and cinematography in that film makes the suit look so much better. This isn't even about night time versus day time, as we see the suit outside the courthouse several times, and it looks nothing like it did in the JL post credits. Joss doesn't know how to light it well in broad daylight. It looks better in the Steppenwolf fight and the line up shot because it was probably under green screen and the lighting was darker.

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As many said before, it's gotta do with cinematography and lighting. This is essentially the same suit in BvS, but the lighting and cinematography in that film makes the suit look so much better. This isn't even about night time versus day time, as we see the suit outside the courthouse several times, and it looks nothing like it did in the JL post credits. Joss doesn't know how to light it well in broad daylight. It looks better in the Steppenwolf fight and the line up shot because it was probably under green screen and the lighting was darker.
My point is, it was clear that they chose to emphasize the metallic highlight musculature even more in JL than they had in BvS, as evidenced in the Make-A-Wish visit photo. That predates Joss. So, yes, different directors photographing it differently will make it look different, but the choice to exaggerate the muscles to such a ridiculous degree was made by the people initially in charge.

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You guys forget that there is a metallic like finish to the piece under the blue layer. This piece is what has the muscle definition on it and naturally with direct light on it reflects way too much. The problem is they made that piece too metallic or the blue putter layer too see through.

I personally don't have an issue with it but just wanted to remind people why it's so visually obvious.

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You guys forget that there is a metallic like finish to the piece under the blue layer. This piece is what has the muscle definition on it and naturally with direct light on it reflects way too much. The problem is they made that piece too metallic or the blue putter layer too see through.

I personally don't have an issue with it but just wanted to remind people why it's so visually obvious.
I am aware of this. But something changed from BvS to JL, perhaps the translucency of the blue mesh top layer (and/or the obvious increase in boldness of the blue), or how severely the metallic muscle suit underneath was sculpted with the intention of showing through more.

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My point is, it was clear that they chose to emphasize the metallic highlight musculature even more in JL than they had in BvS, as evidenced in the Make-A-Wish visit photo. That predates Joss. So, yes, different directors photographing it differently will make it look different, but the choice to exaggerate the muscles to such a ridiculous degree was made by the people initially in charge.
The suit was designed to look it's best under certain lighting, filter etc. Snyder and Wilkinson obviously made that work. Whedon (obviously) changed all that but forgot (or did not care) to make changes to the suit. Add the cottonmouth to it, and voila..we get Bizarro

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You guys forget that there is a metallic like finish to the piece under the blue layer. This piece is what has the muscle definition on it and naturally with direct light on it reflects way too much. The problem is they made that piece too metallic or the blue putter layer too see through.

I personally don't have an issue with it but just wanted to remind people why it's so visually obvious.
But under the right lighting, like the Alex Ross poster, the suit looks great. So it's probably a combination of both.

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I am aware of this. But something changed from BvS to JL, perhaps the translucency of the blue mesh top layer (and/or the obvious increase in boldness of the blue), or how severely the metallic muscle suit underneath was sculpted with the intention of showing through more.
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The suit was designed to look it's best under certain lighting, filter etc. Snyder and Wilkinson obviously made that work. Whedon (obviously) changed all that but forgot (or did not care) to make changes to the suit. Add the cottonmouth to it, and voila..we get Bizarro
Don't forget, Fabian Wagner was unable to help the reshoots due to scheduling conflicts. That combined with the above mentioned, it makes sense why it looked different.

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You guys forget that there is a metallic like finish to the piece under the blue layer. This piece is what has the muscle definition on it and naturally with direct light on it reflects way too much. The problem is they made that piece too metallic or the blue putter layer too see through.

I personally don't have an issue with it but just wanted to remind people why it's so visually obvious.
There was for the mos suit but for the bvs/ jl suit they actually painted on the muscle definition onto the suit itself. Whuch gives it a more unatural look.

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I am aware of this. But something changed from BvS to JL, perhaps the translucency of the blue mesh top layer (and/or the obvious increase in boldness of the blue), or how severely the metallic muscle suit underneath was sculpted with the intention of showing through more.
In the art book, Wilkinson says that they made the blue bolder but they also made the metallic muscle show through the suit so the outfit looks shinier.

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There was for the mos suit but for the bvs/ jl suit they actually painted on the muscle definition onto the suit itself. Whuch gives it a more unatural look.
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In the art book, Wilkinson says that they made the blue bolder but they also made the metallic muscle show through the suit so the outfit looks shinier.

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That's what I remembered seeing.

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Seeing as how well Superman's return was received, I'm not seeing WB's reasons for keeping him out of the promo marketing for the past year.

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Seeing as how well Superman's return was received, I'm not seeing WB's reasons for keeping him out of the promo marketing for the past year.
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WB could have played to their strengths with their most iconic superhero.

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I could understand that argument if there had been something more to Superman's return. Perhaps if it was truly a surprise, a last minute turn of events. But in the truncated film they released? They wouldn't really have given much away had they at least featured him in all of their print marketing.

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I ultimately think killing him off in BvS was a mistake.

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Some people have narrow views of Vaugh’s talents. Films like Kick-Ass and Kingsman aren’t all he can do. He’s also made film like Stardust and X-Men First Class. They show his versatility.

I also think by what some people say regarding Vaugh claiming he only does certain types of movies that they don’t look at those deeper. His strengths are in how he crafts his characters and the interactions. If film making was so narrow minded Richard Donner wouldn’t have jumped from the Omen to Superman the Movie or Tim Burton going from Pee Wees Big Adventure to Beetlejuice and then to Batman. Some people seenthe types of films and assume thats all a director can do. Sometimes it is the case or that some directors get comfortable. But Vaughn doesn’t fall into that category. Vaugh is versatile and his library shows that.

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Some people have narrow views of Vaugh’s talents. Films like Kick-Ass and Kingsman aren’t all he can do. He’s also made film like Stardust and X-Men First Class. They show his versatility.

I also think by what some people say regarding Vaugh claiming he only does certain types of movies that they don’t look at those deeper. His strengths are in how he crafts his characters and the interactions. If film making was so narrow minded Richard Donner wouldn’t have jumped from the Omen to Superman the Movie or Tim Burton going from Pee Wees Big Adventure to Beetlejuice and then to Batman. Some people seenthe types of films and assume thats all a director can do. Sometimes it is the case or that some directors get comfortable. But Vaughn doesn’t fall into that category. Vaugh is versatile and his library shows that.
BH/HHH, after Vaughn's name was bandied about as a prospective Superman director, I watched his entire body of work and read many interviews with the man. I do not believe he is the right man for the job. Not even a little. His style and his choices, including in films like X-Men: First Class, are not what I want to see in a Superman film. I think a lot of his ideas are stale and hackneyed. He does not write women or people of color well. His views on Superman, in particular, fall far short of the mark. I've never seen him say much on subject, frankly, beyond buzzwords like Donner, Reeve, hope, and optimism. My assessment of his as a director comes from broad knowledge of him rather than from ignorance. The more I knew of him, the less I liked him.

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