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Old 09-09-2011, 09:03 AM   #1
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Default Wii U in 'development hell', claims tipster

This is all just rumour for now but it comes from the same source that for one tipped a second 3DS circle pad, some details about Wii U and other Nintendo stuff.

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Nintendo is facing "development hell" with the Wii U, according to an alleged insider, and Wii U controllers supplied to developers "still don't work properly."

"According to our source, it seems that the final architecture has been rushed through the door, with undesirable consequences," the 01 report reads.

Those consequences allegedly include "inadequate" streaming and wireless functionality integral to the Wii U's innovative design, the source continues, and speculation that the console's main chip set "may be a tad too cheap."
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:26 PM   #2
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Kind of glad. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but this system sounds so bad and didn't seem all that next gen to me in the first place.

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Old 09-14-2011, 07:57 AM   #3
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Nintendo's problem is that this generation made them arrogant, the same way the PS2's success made Sony arrogant. Nintendo thinks that because the Wii and DS sold well, they can pretty much get away with anything and people will buy it, but I think they are overestimating how much casual gamers actually care about updating their game systems every generation. Wii was an interesting novelty that people would ask for as a Christmas gift, but Nintendo isn't Apple, and the success of one device hardly guarantees the next-- especially since the "blue ocean" customers today are less and less interested in game systems and more interested in phones and facebook.

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Scratch the WiiU... put a ton of support behind the 3DS and show us a new HD system at E3 2012.

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Old 09-14-2011, 09:55 PM   #5
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The Wii U has seemed like a huge mistake since it was announced. Releasing a finally comparable system at the tail end of a generation is a crazy idea. The gimmick would be used as much as the Kinect or Move have been by 3rd parties, and then the next gen will roll out 1-2 years later and Nintendo will be back getting dumbed down ports of modern games.

Nintendo is in an insanely weird spot. Every new announcement they make keeps dropping their stock prices and they don't seem like they have a plan to turn things around. I don't think a hot pink 3DS is really going to fix the problem, guys.

They have also made me extremely revision aware. I refuse to buy a 3DS because I know they will release a new/better version in a year with better battery, better form and hell possibly with a second circle pad. Why buy a Wii U when in 1-2 years they will release a Wii U Plus that fixes all the issues with the original? It's a weird mentality they have settled into this generation, and I don't much like it.

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Old 03-04-2012, 12:18 PM   #6
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They have also made me extremely revision aware. I refuse to buy a 3DS because I know they will release a new/better version in a year with better battery, better form and hell possibly with a second circle pad. Why buy a Wii U when in 1-2 years they will release a Wii U Plus that fixes all the issues with the original? It's a weird mentality they have settled into this generation, and I don't much like it.
This is not just a Nintendo problem. How many 360's have MS released since 2005? How about Sony and their PSPs?

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I agree. I wonder how hot Iwata's seat is right now and if that will impact what they do regarding the WiiU (if the issues they are having with it are real)? Time will tell I suppose.

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Old 09-15-2011, 12:05 AM   #8
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If the WiiU ends up being a failure, I have to wonder if Nintendo will "pull a Sega". I know to a lot of people that may seem far fetched and eye-roll worthy, but Nintendo's shareholders already want them to go multiplatform in the handheld space, but Iwata won't budge on that. Either way, it's going to be very interesting to see what's in store for Iwata and Nintendo at large if the WiiU doesn't set the world on fire.

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If the WiiU ends up being a failure, I have to wonder if Nintendo will "pull a Sega". I know to a lot of people that may seem far fetched and eye-roll worthy, but Nintendo's shareholders already want them to go multiplatform in the handheld space, but Iwata won't budge on that. Either way, it's going to be very interesting to see what's in store for Iwata and Nintendo at large if the WiiU doesn't set the world on fire.
I would be all for this. The Gamecube and the Wii are the consoles I owned but never played because Sony and Microsoft were doing better things. I can't keep buying consoles I will only use when Nintendo randomly decides to release a decent game, which is excruciatingly rare.

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I would be all for this. The Gamecube and the Wii are the consoles I owned but never played because Sony and Microsoft were doing better things. I can't keep buying consoles I will only use when Nintendo randomly decides to release a decent game, which is excruciatingly rare.
But Nintendo does have good games, the problem is Microsoft and Sony have support from most of the 3rd parties so they're getting good games from multiple developers, in addition to having their own first party releases. Nintendo would have to do the work of multiple companies in order to keep up with that.

But yes, I know it's Nintendo's fault. There's always something inferior about their hardware so they're always getting passed over. Carts, mini disks, hardware that's a generation behind. I get so sick of my favorite developer being the one that makes all the mistakes.

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Old 09-15-2011, 02:57 AM   #11
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I'm right there with you man, I really am. With Nintendo getting handily "beat" the previous two generations, both times by newcomers, I'm pretty sure they would have gone that route by now, if it wasn't for their ace in the hole. Nintendo's big secret is that they always, always make a killing on their hardware sales. While Microsoft and Sony view their consoles as a sort of loss leader, Nintendo makes a profit on every console sold. Of course those consoles don't just pop out of thin air. I'm sure the R&D, industrial engineering, as well as ongoing marketing and manufacturing costs for consoles are unbelievably high.

Another advantage Nintendo has is that most of their games have very long legs, selling incredibly well over several years. I'm sure the shareholders have often wondered how much more money they could make if such games were on three platforms instead of just one...

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Old 09-15-2011, 03:55 AM   #12
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If I can play the core Nintendo games that I have played since I started playing games on the next version of Xbox... I'll be happy. In a way it would suck to see Nintendo turn into a developer only... but... they are obviously a bit out of the loop.

Can you imagine a Zelda title the size of Oblivion... Or Skyrim? If they had a lot of time to focus on creating a HUGE Zelda with almost limitless possibilities... Oh man...

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Old 09-15-2011, 11:56 AM   #13
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It would just seem like heresy to play a Mario game on a Playstation. Being their own exclusive brand has kind of been their mainstay, it would feel like selling out.

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Well... That's why I said "on the next Xbox." What better way for Microsoft to get that exclusive content that people say they need than to buy up Nintendo.

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Well... That's why I said "on the next Xbox." What better way for Microsoft to get that exclusive content that people say they need than to buy up Nintendo.
Oh hell no. Going 3rd party's fine, but I'll be damned if Nintendo ever gets eaten alive by some soulless conglomerate and loses its identity.

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Oh hell no. Going 3rd party's fine, but I'll be damned if Nintendo ever gets eaten alive by some soulless conglomerate and loses its identity.
Agreed, Microsoft is the last company Nintendo would want to be bought by. They'd make a Mario Kinect game for shock value, a gritty Zelda, and in 2 years be making avatar clothes. As much as I'd love a Zelda with Move functionality on a PS4, I realize it would need to be made by Nintendo, as a 3rd party, the way they want to make it. Otherwise it would probably lose it's soul and charm.

StrainedEyes and others already hit my feelings on the Wii U perfectly though. I tried to like my Gamecube, but Mario just doesn't do it for me. While I like Nintendo's handhelds, their consoles only have 1 title I care about (Zelda). Touchscreen, while nifty, won't solely sell the console for me. Neither will having PS3 level graphics as Sony and Microsoft ready to jump next gen, and old ports of Arkham City, and Mass Effect 3 definetly won't (considering I own, and have beat both).

This gen proved my assumptions wrong, so I'm not going to count Nintendo out. However, I think they have an up hill battle. Wii sales cut in half these last few years, and while the 3DS is doing good now, it had a very rocky start requiring a large price drop, and a redesign. Touchscreen is on everything now, so might not catch fire with the casual crowd (who have moved back to phones and Apple anyway). Plus the hardware will be a gen behind at launch. However, Nintendo faithful don't buy for graphics, and the casual crowd is wish washy. So who knows. Nintendo has always marched to their own beat, and may surprise us again.

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Two things, Nintendo will never let itself be bought by Microsoft.

And they've made gritty Zelda games. Majora's Mask being the bleakest.

Quite frankly, these days, we could use some more grittiness in Zelda games.

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Two things, Nintendo will never let itself be bought by Microsoft.

And they've made gritty Zelda games. Majora's Mask being the bleakest.

Quite frankly, these days, we could use some more grittiness in Zelda games.
When I think gritty in terms of games and movies, I think of a more realistic, dirty, abrasive, mature, world of grey's experience. Majora's mask may have had an undertone of impending doom, and an odd hint of sorrow, but I wouldn't call it gritty. Link was still Link, and the NPC's were still exaggerated, colorful charactitures. I've never played Twillight Princess, so I can't comment on it.

A Microsoft gritty version of Zelda would involve a redesigned "cool" Link who talks, doing slow motion blood splattering combos, and grey area moral choices. The setting would probably be steam punk where Link could net a crude gun instead of a boomerang, and Zelda would dress like a ****. Ghanon would probably become a terrorist whose first introduction in blowing up a chunk of the castle with a bomb.

That's what I meant. I agree it won't happen though. It would take Apple joining the race, and a desperate Microsoft shelling out a LOT of cash.

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Now I highly, highly doubt that happens. I don't see Nintendo NOT making systems for quite sometime. Even if they have to forget the home market and just focus on portable gaming.

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They didn't use to. They're being as innovative as they always were, it's just that audiences have started favoring style over substance.

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It would just seem like heresy to play a Mario game on a Playstation.
Not really. People said the same thing about Sonic, but they got over it in... like a week.

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Well... That's why I said "on the next Xbox." What better way for Microsoft to get that exclusive content that people say they need than to buy up Nintendo.
Eh... I don't really want Nintendo tied to a single console. That would pretty much defeat the purpose of becoming a third party. And if Microsoft bought them, that would pretty much be the beginning of a long, slow death for Nintendo.

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Now I highly, highly doubt that happens. I don't see Nintendo NOT making systems for quite sometime. Even if they have to forget the home market and just focus on portable gaming.
I think that's less likely than them getting out of the console business to be honest.

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They didn't use to. They're being as innovative as they always were, it's just that audiences have started favoring style over substance.
How are they being innovative?

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Not really. People said the same thing about Sonic, but they got over it in... like a week.
That's because by the time Sonic went multiplatform, Sonic sucked.

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They didn't use to. They're being as innovative as they always were, it's just that audiences have started favoring style over substance.
It's not just style. There are gameplay-based benefits from a more powerful system. How different do you think Super Mario 64 would have been if they instead released it on the SNES and using a Super FX chip as originally planned?

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It doesn't surprise me.

I previewed the game this year at E3, and I found it hard to believe they could really make a 2012 release. And they had so few actual games or software to preview for it. 2012 seemed way too early and unrealistic IMHO.

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Plus, the E3 Wii U was more or less a proof of concept. We have no idea what changes they will have to make to it and what the final product will be like.

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