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Old 08-07-2018, 04:02 PM   #676
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They are cool but where's Gordon?
Seriously. Gordon is almost a co-lead of the film.

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Old 08-07-2018, 05:22 PM   #677
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What about poor Alfred? He could use some recognition in these portraits himself.

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Old 08-07-2018, 06:10 PM   #678
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yeah i wanna see a poster with burnt down jungles and tangerines

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Old 08-07-2018, 08:13 PM   #679
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lol @ Rachel having a poster over Gordon.


Those are bloody awesome though.

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Burning notice will have to do.

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I like how in the Nolan-verse Alfred is a low-key retired mercenary and colonialist who was going on Rudyard Kipling styled adventures about a century after the fact back in his day. Working with Batman is just his retirement.

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Old 08-08-2018, 10:51 AM   #682
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In the comic canon he was a member of the British special forces. But yeah, him being in Burma hunting jewel thieves implies something a lot more untoward. Like extralegal paramilitary. Maybe his service to the Wayne family was akin to some kind of atonement?

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I really do take it as in TDKT's universe global politics are slightly different (which would explain why the Middle east in Rises looks akin to more something out of the early 20th century than the 21st). It's also a very Westernized and antiquated view, but it is what it is. I picked up that Caine's Alfred was a bit of a Rudyard Kipling protagonist in his younger years, which is to say a colonialist of gray morality, but ultimately a solid bloke. Kind of like Caine's character in The Man Who Would be King.

I felt a small confirmation in Westworld Season 2 where apparently the Nolans think people want to go to the "Raj," which is colonial India. It is certainly a white person fantasy, but Caine's Alfred feels more derived from that than being completely evil. More soldier of fortune than genocidal mercenary. That was how I read the subtext anyway.

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I just watched The Dark Knight Rises again, and boy, it really is masterful filmmaking.

It has it's problems for sure - It's a little too long and verbose in it's storytelling in places and I still don't love the final shot (Leave me with Bruce, not Blake) - but the skill, passion and confidence that is displayed on screen is astounding.

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Another influence on the name was Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, Martin said. “I think [Christopher] Nolan did it the best, and we thought about that,” he explained. “it wasn’t ‘Dark Knight 1, Dark Knight 2, Dark Knight 3.’ Each one had its own name, but there was an arc there. They were all connected, as is this game as a sequel to [Doom] 2016.“
Seriously. What has TDKT not influenced in some way?

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I just watched The Dark Knight Rises again, and boy, it really is masterful filmmaking.

It has it's problems for sure - It's a little too long and verbose in it's storytelling in places and I still don't love the final shot (Leave me with Bruce, not Blake) - but the skill, passion and confidence that is displayed on screen is astounding.
I've gone back and forth on that, but I came around to it for the way it mirrors the opening of Begins (Bruce falls into the cave/Bruce's successor rises in the cave) and how, I think, Batman is figuratively present in it. The other films both ended with a symbolically charged shot of Batman; him flying toward the camera, him riding away into the sunset. I would argue the final shot of Rises is of Batman as a symbol that has transcended (risen) beyond Bruce. It's not saying that Blake is Batman at that moment (he has a lot of training before that), or even that he'll become Batman in the literal sense that, say, Dick Grayson did during the RIP arc. It's just saying that the mantel will endure, achieving the kind of immortality Bruce spoke to Alfred about back in the plane ride in Begins.

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