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Old 04-14-2014, 04:57 PM   #1
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:57 PM   #3
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The point most of us are trying to make is that every CBM has problems, but we suspend our disbelief and enjoy them anyway.
I understand that..and I agree with it. Despite the numerous flaws in SM2, X2, Iron Man, Thor, Thor: Dark World, Avengers, Amazing Spider-Man, and First Class I am able to enjoy those movies for what they are. I've also stated multiple times that 'Winter Soldier' is a fun movie.

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I understand that..and I agree with it. Despite the numerous flaws in SM2, X2, Iron Man, Thor, Thor: Dark World, Avengers, Amazing Spider-Man, and First Class I am able to enjoy those movies for what they are. I've also stated multiple times that 'Winter Soldier' is a fun movie.
I am curious , what are your top 5 CBMs?

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Old 04-14-2014, 05:08 PM   #6
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They established Falcon's wings (subtly) early on in the movie when Sam and Steve are bonding.

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They established Falcon's wings (subtly) early on in the movie when Sam and Steve are bonding.
And Zola was established as a mad scientist with crazy tech in the first film.

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No they didn't.

They had him tell us he was part of an airborne division.

That is akin, in this movie, to setting up a punchline. It is not the development of a concept as unique as a jetpack with wings.

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Old 04-14-2014, 05:20 PM   #9
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An Easter egg in TFA shows Zola's blueprints for an android version of himself.

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An Easter egg in TFA shows Zola's blueprints for an android version of himself.
That is hardly a satisfying explanation for the concept of being able to transfer one's consciousness/brain/whatever into a computer.

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*peeks into shiny new thread…*

*sees a BATS vs. TWS discussion…*

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*peeks into shiny new thread…*

*sees a BATS vs. TWS discussion…*

LOLNOPE!
Yup. Waiting for C Lee or Spider-Fan to make it all go away.

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It's because the quality of the movie doesn't quite sink in the first time you watch it. At least for me. It came out at a time when everyone was hyped off of iron man and tdk, which were two sides of the same coin, (one being more serious, the other more fun) and people were expecting more of the same, even though the hero was totally different. Instead of a guy taking the on the world head on we got a more personal journey of a man hiding from the world and what he has to give up to stay hidden. A bit more mature IMO.and the action only gets better with repeat viewings.

I like CA:TWS a bit better though, because I feel it's both instantly enjoyable and better over time. in this movie it's still him taking on the world, but he's a bit less sure of himself because he feels like an outsider still trying to figure out how to relate to everyone around him. This makes him a more courageous hero because he doesn't hesitate to do what he feels needs to be done dispute his self doubt. While he might come across as stuck in his ways to some viewers cap isn't a true narcissist like batman or tony. Which makes the viewers better able to relate to the character.
Oh the quality of TIH is evident. In fact, every scene leading up to the bottling plant Hulk-out felt like it belonged in some art house indie film. Add to that the somewhat redundant, but very humanizing deleted scenes

I think the problem is that those qualities don't sell well. Ang's Hulk had those qualities up to 11 and flopped because of it. People apparently got bored of it easily. What Hulk apparently needs in order to have a successful franchise is to have fun, well paced movies. I think that can be achieved without sacrificing too much of the soul however. Just look at TWS, how it deals with serious issues, and even has a stoic, incorruptible protagonist, yet manages to be a huge blockbuster hit, and as you said, part of a more enjoyable movie.

That being said, your analysis of Steve as a protagonist is rather spot on. I almost wonder if the GA would connect with Bruce more if he too were a courageous hero despite his self doubts. No more running, no more being afraid. He still has to be careful, and is riddled with self doubt, but I think if he were portrayed as being much more proactive than reactive super hero, he could carry a financially successful solo movie.

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I don't know if this was posted (and… um, fair warning, there is a lot of comparison of Cap to other non-DC heroes), but it does expound on the points being made above, i.e. what makes Captain America an appealing hero, and what the Vulture article published last week gets wrong -- the Vulture thing posited that Cap could only be interesting if he was a jerk. So basically, if he was Millar's Ult. Cap.

The Escapist's response: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...yranny-Of-Dark

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I hate Ult. Cap. Not just because he's a jerk but because he's everything a lot of people mistake 616 and even movie Cap for.

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I hate Ult. Cap. Not just because he's a jerk but because he's everything a lot of people mistake 616 and even movie Cap for.
Right. Millar's Cap isn't really interesting for me. Personally, I love that movie (and 616) Cap is such a decent guy -- not racist, not sexist, not completely immersed in jingoism -- because, honestly, it makes him a hero for all, for everyone all over the world. This is exactly how I see Supes too. Both are special individuals, powerful beings, constantly striving to do the right thing.

They're both so endearing to me for that very reason.

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Right. Millar's Cap isn't really interesting for me. Personally, I love that movie (and 616) Cap is such a decent guy -- not racist, not sexist, not completely immersed in jingoism -- because, honestly, it makes him a hero for all, for everyone all over the world. This is exactly how I see Supes too. Both are special individuals, powerful beings, constantly striving to do the right thing.

They're both so endearing to me for that very reason.
The movie actually improved on the comics by having Cap be a skinny guy with the heart of a lion and Bucky his best friend. It makes Steve's transition from frail man to superman and Bucky's tragic disintegration to Hydra puppet all the more powerful.

To be honest I wasn't keen on any of Miller's Ultimate work. The plotlines were terrific but he made the characters - especially Black Widow and the X Men - completely unlikeable. The only thing he did I liked was turning Nick Fury into Sam Jackson.

The Ultimates also dropped the ball with what they did with Bucky - we never did get Ultimate Winter Soldier.

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I watched this movie. Chris Evans as Captain America was great! He was perfect marvel Hero. Fantastic stunts and actions by him. Great work by camera man and by director too. No surprise to me for watch this movie again.

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I think they went about it all wrong. I think the seeds for something really interesting were there with Falcon, and they missed their opportunity to capitalize on relevant themes.
I'm curious to know what relevant themes you think can be explored through a more elaborate characterization of the Falcon exosuit.

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I'm curious to know what relevant themes you think can be explored through a more elaborate characterization of the Falcon exosuit.
Not just the suit...Falcon himself.

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Not just the suit...Falcon himself.
Ah ok, similar question though: What relevant themes do you think Falcon and his suit can explore?

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Ahhh...this brings back memories of when The Avengers just came out and everybody was enjoying the succes...

And then come 'those people'that try to convince you either that the movie was overrated...or that it has bigger issues that we just refused to acknowledged

Especially wen compared to a certain 'cinematic masterpiece'that shall not be named...

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Ahhh...this brings back memories of when The Avengers just came out and everybody was enjoying the succes...

And then come 'those people'that try to convince you either that the movie was overrated...or that it has bigger issues that we just refused to acknowledged

Especially wen compared to a certain 'cinematic masterpiece'that shall not be named...
Pretty much, the trolling is reaching peak levels about now.

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Pretty much, the trolling is reaching peak levels about now.
The trolling will never peak. We still have years until SvB, and whether its good or bad, it will just goad the trolls onward.

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The problem was previously released films were always being brought up and compared to a new film and to feel special about the new film, the old films are being belittled, being called overrated.

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