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Old 05-08-2012, 09:23 AM   #501
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What's with the now now?

You're acting as if I said Loki's outfit THOR was "bad", I actually said it was very cool and true to character.

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Old 05-08-2012, 09:38 AM   #502
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C'mon guys. Tom is great, his portrayal of Loki is great, his career prospects as a result of his work in this and other recent films are skyrocketing and it's very well deserved.

But the character and the performance are not even in the same zip code as Ledger's Joker.

The films are apples and oranges, and I completely understand people who prefer Avengers to Dark Knight (in fact, I may be one of them!) but Ledger's Joker is untouchable, in my opinion. First of all, the role is much meatier and has more screen time than Loki. Secondly... Ledger took one of the most iconic--scratch that--THE MOST iconic comic-book bad guy of all time (and I'm saying this as an old school Marvel zombie!)--and turned in a performance that managed to RIVAL, and in some ways arguably IMPROVE UPON the comic book version of that character.

The fact is, you could take away the entire movie and just leave Ledger's scenes, and I'd still be glued to the screen. It's a once-in-a-lifetime performance that would be immortal even without the tragic circumstances. McKellan, Fassbender, Molina and Hiddleston are awesome actors who are a joy to watch in their respective villain roles. And Dark Knight is probably overpraised in many ways. But Ledger's performance is NOT one of them.
Oy vey. There is nothing I can say that many haven't already said. I consider Ledger's performance to be overrated, a one trick pony that won an Oscar on the merit of death, but that is a whole different discussion. Suffice to say, I enjoyed the layers of Hiddleston's Loki more than Ledger's performance. It's just an opinion. They're like asses. We all have them and they're full of ****, so let's just move on and discuss the awesomeness that was Hiddleston, eh?

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Oy vey. There is nothing I can say that many haven't already said. I consider Ledger's performance to be overrated, a one trick pony that won an Oscar on the merit of death, but that is a whole different discussion. Suffice to say, I enjoyed the layers of Hiddleston's Loki more than Ledger's performance. It's just an opinion. They're like asses. We all have them and they're full of ****, so let's just move on and discuss the awesomeness that was Hiddleston, eh?
Agree to disagree. I'm not trying to start another goofy fight between DK and Avengers fans. Tom was great and 'Avengers' kicks ass. I just think Ledger's dead-eyed portrayal of Joker deserves its reputation as one of the historic pinnacles of screen-villainy, and that's coming from someone who's kind of sick of Batman.

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Oy vey. There is nothing I can say that many haven't already said. I consider Ledger's performance to be overrated, a one trick pony that won an Oscar on the merit of death, but that is a whole different discussion. Suffice to say, I enjoyed the layers of Hiddleston's Loki more than Ledger's performance. It's just an opinion. They're like asses. We all have them and they're full of ****, so let's just move on and discuss the awesomeness that was Hiddleston, eh?

And here i thought i was the only one all this time!


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Anyone else bothered by Loki's final line of dialogue? Hated that he ended his tirade with a silly one-liner.

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And here i thought i was the only one all this time!

I think Ledger's Joker was great, but he was pretty one dimensional since there was not internal struggle or rationale just "I'm evil because I want to be evil".

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I liked it. Better then "Ill have my revenge!!! You'll never stop me!!!"

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I liked it. Better then "Ill have my revenge!!! You'll never stop me!!!"
True, that type of response would make Loki seem very unintelligent and one dimensional.

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I liked it. Better then "Ill have my revenge!!! You'll never stop me!!!"

You think that's the only other line they could've came up with for him?

They also could have chosen to have him not say anything at all and accept his fate.

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Exactly, and that's actually one of the things I love about his Avengers look. His helmet is no longer brightly polished but has dull spots and shows signs of... I don't know if it's rust but it just looks degraded and rough. Along with the rest of the armor pieces that he wears. just the look of it makes you wonder exactly where he was and what happened in between the films since what he has is no longer the bright polished look of a prince (Hiddleston has said that he and Joss talked about it and that it was essentially the seventh circle of hell that he went through)
Oh I can't wait to see what depths of depravity Loki was subjected to in his absence I'm sure we'll see in Thor 2. Actually aside from The Hobbit 1 & 2 Thor 2 is one of my must see movies.

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Anyone else bothered by Loki's final line of dialogue? Hated that he ended his tirade with a silly one-liner.
Well, he really couldn't say much with that gag over his mouth at the end of the movie. I think any parting words there would be unintelligible mumbling, which would anger the fangirl legions.

And I think I speak for all the fangirls when I say, how dare they cover Loki's mouth and prevent him from speaking!?

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Agree to disagree. I'm not trying to start another goofy fight between DK and Avengers fans. Tom was great and 'Avengers' kicks ass. I just think Ledger's dead-eyed portrayal of Joker deserves its reputation as one of the historic pinnacles of screen-villainy, and that's coming from someone who's kind of sick of Batman.
I can definitely get and respect that opinion, I just don't agree with it, but I can see why you would hold it and shall agree to agree to disagree.

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Anyone else bothered by Loki's final line of dialogue? Hated that he ended his tirade with a silly one-liner.
I actually liked it. Loki knew that he was defeated. He failed, so he deflected with humor. It felt like a real response. What else do you do in that type of situation? Make idle threats when at someone's mercy?

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I actually liked it. Loki knew that he was defeated. He failed, so he deflected with humor. It felt like a real response. What else do you do in that type of situation? Make idle threats when at someone's mercy?
He already tried that with Hulk....and look where that got him.

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You think that's the only other line they could've came up with for him?

They also could have chosen to have him not say anything at all and accept his fate.
Give me an example of what you would have liked him to say.

I think he had to say something at that moment, would have felt awkward if he just didn't say anything imo. btw that shot of the full team was incredible.

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Well, he really couldn't say much with that gag over his mouth at the end of the movie. I think any parting words there would be unintelligible mumbling, which would anger the fangirl legions.

And I think I speak for all the fangirls when I say, how dare they cover Loki's mouth and prevent him from speaking!?
He's talking about the scene where The Avengers are staring Loki down after Hulk turned him into his *****.

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Loki knew that he was defeated. He failed, so he deflected with humor. It felt like a real response. What else do you do in that type of situation? Make idle threats when at someone's mercy?
Yeah that would make him seem kind of dumb and too mustache twirling fot my tastes.

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Felt slightly out of place, but I still laughed, and it didn't diminish anything I saw previously in the movie, so I think it worked out.

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I still hope Loki had some grander plans. Like leaving Asgard defenseless by sending Thor to earth and Odin weakened because he had to conjure so much dark energy to Teleport Thor. And when Thor and Loki arrive back in Asgard, there's a full on siege taking place. Would make his one-liner at the end fit even more, because he knew he already fulfilled his main objective. So no need for extra threats or drama.

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I still hope Loki had some grander plans. Like leaving Asgard defenseless by sending Thor to earth and Odin weakened because he had to conjure so much dark energy to Teleport Thor. And when Thor and Loki arrive back in Asgard, there's a full on siege taking place. Would make his one-liner at the end fit even more, because he knew he already fulfilled his main objective. So no need for extra threats or drama.
So basically, instead of Loki planning to take over Asgard and then attacking it in the climax, open Thor 2 with Asgard in ruin, Loki having won and Thor being forced to escape to Earth maybe? I think that would be a bad ass way to start.

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He's talking about the scene where The Avengers are staring Loki down after Hulk turned him into his *****.



Yeah that would make him seem kind of dumb and too mustache twirling for my tastes.
You mean too:


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So basically, instead of Loki planning to take over Asgard and then attacking it in the climax, open Thor 2 with Asgard in ruin, Loki having won and Thor being forced to escape to Earth maybe? I think that would be a bad ass way to start.
It's not happening though, because it was stated numerous times that Thor is going to take place mostly in the other realms.

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He's talking about the scene where The Avengers are staring Loki down after Hulk turned him into his *****
I know that, but I was referring to the last scene that we see Loki appearing in. If he wasn't muzzled he could have had a last opportunity to say some parting words. But, well I guess the look he gives when they grab the container with the Tesseract in it was better than any line of dialogue Whedon could have written.

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I know that, but I was referring to the last scene that we see Loki appearing in. If he wasn't muzzled he could have had a last opportunity to say some parting words. But, well I guess the look he gives when they grab the container with the Tesseract in it was better than any line of dialogue Whedon could have written.
Resentment at its finest. Not exactly revelling in his defeat.

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So basically, instead of Loki planning to take over Asgard and then attacking it in the climax, open Thor 2 with Asgard in ruin, Loki having won and Thor being forced to escape to Earth maybe? I think that would be a bad ass way to start.
I just think it would be simply great, is his entire plan to take over earth, was just part of a much grander plan. As he said in Thor, he never wanted the Throne, he only wanted to be Thor's equal, so it irked me a little bit when he wanted to rule over all the humans. I hope his ultimate goal is vengeance upon Asgard, destroying everything Odin holds dear and not giving a damn about the Throne. And the whole attack on earth, was part of that plan, to set everything in motion and to put the pieces in place.

As for escaping to earth, that's something I hope doesn't happen. There are so many other realms, Thor 2 needs to be purely fantasy realms. No earth.

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I just think it would be simply great, is his entire plan to take over earth, was just part of a much grander plan. As he said in Thor, he never wanted the Throne, he only wanted to be Thor's equal, so it irked me a little bit when he wanted to rule over all the humans. I hope his ultimate goal is vengeance upon Asgard, destroying everything Odin holds dear and not giving a damn about the Throne. And the whole attack on earth, was part of that plan, to set everything in motion and to put the pieces in place.
Well, I suppose one could argue that the attack on Earth wasn't necessarily about ruling (though it may have been a side benefit) but rather destroying that which Thor holds dear.

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That's exactly the problem that I have with that ''Joker''. The entire movie is contradictory Joker monologues and him performing Xanatos Gambits, both of which are so completely unlike Joker that it's not even funny. (Puns are good.)

You have a villain that doesn't lose and says a lot of pseudo intellectual stuff, of course people are going to love that character. People love dark characters that act badass and don't lose, you can look in tons of fictional stories to see that. The cruel irony is that is what Batman is supposed to be and he isn't even given that much in his own movie.

I like Ledger a lot and he did a fantastic job, but I thought the script was basically built for him to chew scenery.
I thought Ledger's Joker's need to play social experiments and philosophical test cases about the morality and ethics of man all comes from the comics. It's clear the Nolans read Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke." They just took it to another level. Still, the basic idea is he wants to prove his worldview by bringing the "best of Gotham" to its knees. In Moore's story neither Gordon nor Batman break (or does he?). In the movie, Batman doesn't break, but Dent does. That leaves a wonderfully ambiguous ending because neither Batman nor the Joker win.

I do agree that TDK was an ensemble piece where Batman, Joker, Harvey Dent/Two-Face and even Jim Gordon were all equal parts the lead. But hey, I wouldn't say any of The Avengers has the lead over any of the others in this movie either.

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Oy vey. There is nothing I can say that many haven't already said. I consider Ledger's performance to be overrated, a one trick pony that won an Oscar on the merit of death, but that is a whole different discussion. Suffice to say, I enjoyed the layers of Hiddleston's Loki more than Ledger's performance. It's just an opinion. They're like asses. We all have them and they're full of ****, so let's just move on and discuss the awesomeness that was Hiddleston, eh?
Not to beat a dead horse, but you really believe he only won an Oscar and his iteration of the character has been put on lists with Hannibal Lecter and Darth Vader solely because Ledger died? I won't deny it helped the politking, but I think that performance would have caught fire even if he lived just Javier Bardem did in 2007 and Christoph Waltz did in 2009.

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Resentment at its finest. Not exactly revelling in his defeat.
Ah yes, almost like a petulant child that didn't get his way, with a hint of tempered hostility aimed at Thor. Sometimes what is left unsaid is more effective in making its point.

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