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Old 05-27-2017, 04:47 PM   #126
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During those 5 years, how long was Ollie actually on that island? With him getting off the island, hanging out in civilization, getting trained to be an assassin or whatever, and probably still remembering the feeling of a comfy bed pretty well, it ruins this scene from Season 1 for me.

The thing about Oliver's 5 years is, even off the island, he went through some serious crap. Like, sure, he probably had a comfortable bed while he was with Tatsu and Maseo. But do you think he slept comfortably while with the Bratva? Probably not. To me, the only misstep in the flashbacks (aside from his haircut–bad idea, because it led to the wig situation) was the beginning of S4, when he was for some reason trying his hand at vigilantism in Coast City. That was dumb. He shouldn't have been back in the States before his rescue. But other than that, I'm okay with Oliver being off the island for a few years. While he was with Tatsu and Maseo, he saw a little boy die, he learned to be a torturer, he was on the run from some powerful governmental figures, he fought the Triads, etc. And while he was in Russia, he went through some seriously terrible stuff, too. In the S4 flashbacks, he saw magic at work, had to kill someone he cared about, and just had an all-around messed-up experience (but S4's flashbacks are definitely my least favorite).

The truth of all this is, even though Oliver wasn't on the island the whole time, he rarely had a moment's rest for five years. He was almost constantly running, shooting, hiding, etc. So when he finally gets back home, all that doesn't leave him. He's not used to being in a safe place, even in civilization. Because all the civilization Oliver's seen in five years has been on the run from Shrieve or in the depths of the Bratva. So although his PTSD seen here doesn't seem quite right, it still makes sense. He just hasn't had time to process everything he's been through, and now that he is safe, he doesn't feel safe. The point of that scene, I think, is that Oliver can't get out of the mindset of the killer/monster he's become. That's his natural state now, not Oliver Queen. So it still makes sense. Should there have been some changes? Yeah, but it still makes sense when it's all in context.

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Old 05-27-2017, 04:52 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
He spent like 2 1/2 years on the island? He was still able to sex it up with girls, have a roof over his head. That was the big disappointment of the flashbacks. His hell wasn't as hellish as it should've been from what we saw in S1.

They should've had him being freak out about being put back on the island and he should've been alone on it to fend for himself for at least a couple of months.
It's actually kind of embarrassing that the writers didn't plan for this. They've literally been setting up for this and they couldn't do something as simple as have him grow a beard and his hair? They could have just let him return to the island and be there to fend for himself. This isn't season 1 Oliver at all but whatever. The ending to his time on the island wasn't clever at all.

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Old 05-27-2017, 10:06 PM   #128
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(aside from his haircut–bad idea, because it led to the wig situation)
The hair cut didn't even have to be that big a deal as they should have realized that due to the events of the flashbacks often happening in short spans of time out of sync with the present, the flashbacks were further back than 5 years and so the ending should have been Oliver missing the boat then them cutting to an appropriate amount of time later where he gets lucky and another boat comes by and he gets picked up after his hair and beard had grown back out to the appropriate length.

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the beginning of S4, when he was for some reason trying his hand at vigilantism in Coast City.
I personally think this is one of the negative repercussions of the Suicide Squad ban where at the end of season 3 Waller was initially supposed to double cross Oliver and hold him in spite of him helping her out in asia folding him into her suicide squad at the time, or his forced services could even possibly served as the genesis for the idea for the Suicide Squad. This would transfer into season 4 of him being her agent going on missions throughout the first half of the season that puts him on the trail of Shadowspire with him finding out that their base of operations is the island and then him going there happening in the mid-season finale. Then the Shadowspire Island flashbacks that felt really stretched out, boring and overextended all taking place in the back half of season 4 at a faster pace with no treading of water taking place.

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Old Yesterday, 04:51 AM   #129
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The writers missed their own boat when it came to Ollie's hair.

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