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Old 08-01-2015, 10:27 PM   #576
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Just saw the documentary. There were a lot of interesting ideas and concepts that I liked, but I feel like it could have been a lot better without certain factors, particularly Peters and his obvious lack of understanding for the character.

I also feel like today, nearly 20 years later, a big factor is that the people behind making these movies, like directors, actors, and writers, are usually people who grew up with the characters or at least have some familiarity with them because comics are more main stream. But back then, it felt exclusively as though people were just taking something to make money of off. That's still done today with books and movies, but the superhero film has definitely evolved and shown that if handled properly, it can be successful to fans and casual audiences.

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Old 09-06-2015, 03:32 PM   #577
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Sometimes I find myself wondering what a Danny Elfman Superman score would sound like.

Similarly, I wonder what John Williams would do with Batman.

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Sometimes I find myself wondering what a Danny Elfman Superman score would sound like.

Similarly, I wonder what John Williams would do with Batman.
That's a really cool thought actually, I bet Williams would come up with something great for Batman but I think it would have to be a certain type of Batman movie.

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Old 11-10-2015, 09:42 AM   #579
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Saw the documentary the other day. I didn't walk away feeling like I missed out on not having the film made.

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There was some interesting stuff in it, but I would've prefered more information and interviews from the crew. I mean, he did get a chance to interview people such as Tim Burton, after all.

EDIT: Oh, you meant Superman Lives. I don't agree. I would've loved to see it get made.

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Old 06-08-2016, 01:04 PM   #582
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Why isn't anyone doing subtle manips now that we have better photos? No one even does joke manips with the new pics.




I'd really like one with the Burtonized chest emblem that's on every other suit. And a version doing the black-blue resurrection suit. Darkening the capes on all.


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Old 06-09-2016, 03:56 AM   #583
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Saw the documentary the other day. I didn't walk away feeling like I missed out on not having the film made.
I enjoyed the documentary mainly because I've been fascinated by this ill-fated Superman project for years. It was cool to see all the artwork and the pictures of Nic Cage in the final version of the suit.

Having said that, I think Jon Schnepp went about telling this story the wrong way. He went in expecting the change everyone's mind on what this movie would have been. He kept telling that the movie would have been fantastic and that Nic Cage would have made a great Superman.
Unfortunately, Schnepp didn't understand, or didn't want to understand, that the movie was never going to get made.

The project started off with a few idea from a horribly misguided producer who didn't understand, much less liked the character, and had no coherent vision for the '"film". Plus using the death of Superman as a template to reintroduce the character on film was a horrendus idea, and one that didn't work.

The most interesting assessment on why this movie wasn't made came from Sylvain Desprtez in the bonus footage. He was a concept artist who jumped ship when the production was shut down for the first time in the fall of 97. He knew that there was nothing too coherent or cohesive about the project. They weren't even able to pull the script together. Tim Burton had a cool take but he also had to deal with Jon Peters, and the two of them fought over everything.

Peters just wanted to sell toys and design what, in his mind, would be cool action sequences. The problem is that this is no organic way to make a film. It's basically the Batman & Robin approach, and we all know how that turned out.

True, when Tim Burton signed on he was promised a great amount of creative control. The studio promised that they would reign Jon Peters in. But basically Tim's job was to take all of the elements dictated by Peters (death of Superman, Giant spider, robotic suit, Skull Ship, etc.) and make a film out of this.
Problem was that what Peters had in mind and what Burton had in mind didn't gel, and the studio realized, and they placed the film in limbo in the fall of 97, though they had planned to begin shooting around that time.

They couldn't fire Tim Burton because studios don't dare break up with famous directors like him. So all they can do is treat him like **** and hope that he walks away.

If you look at what they were doing after they had fired Welsey Strick and brought in Dan Gilroy to "fix" the script, they were basically running around in circles creatively. They churned out design after design after design, but a few cool designs do not amount to a film.

My opinion is that Superman Lives was set off wrong to begin with. They created a line toys and tried to write a script around it. Tim's take also scared the studio, and they basically let it linger in development hell for fear of pulling the plug. Then, finally, they had no choice but to shut the project down because they had come to a point where they couldn't continue to push it back.

They were 3 weeks from shooting and they didn't even have a Lois Lane!!!
Also Derek Frey said that it was still "very initial" when the plug was pulled.
Does it really look a movie that was coming together?

When Jon Schnepp said if the movie had come out in 99, it would have been amazing and a massive success, that's just stupid.
Warner Bros. never intended to make this film, they had to PRETEND for political and financial reasons.

Superman Lives, as it stood in April of 198 when it was cancelled, was a giant mess.
It would have been cool if Tim Burton had been allowed to take on this project with TOTAL creative control, not having to answer to Jon Peters. But unfortunately, this was not the case on SUPERMAN LIVES...

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Old 08-29-2016, 05:57 AM   #586
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Just watched the documentary again for the first time in a while, it's just so fascinating to think would could have been. I next the film's production was a huge mess and I reckon it would have taken years to be ready anyway but if it had been made I can't help but wonder what superhero cinema would have shaped like.

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Old 10-17-2016, 12:58 PM   #587
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Old 11-26-2016, 04:37 AM   #588
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KEVIN SMITH OPEN TO AN ANIMATED ADAPTATION OF SUPERMAN LIVES
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In a recent Q&A session held via Facebook Live, writer and director Kevin Smith said he would be open to his script for the unproduced film “Superman Lives” being adapted as an animated feature. As reported by Comic Book Movie, Smith said he’d love to see an animated adaptation of the project, especially if the actors originally slated for the film participated, stating, “that would be really amazing to kind of see, like they turn it into a cartoon and get the people to do the voices. Nic Cage is still around and stuff. And I wanted Michael Rooker for my Lex Luthor so that would be amazing. Um, but, you know, I’m game.”

Smith went on to say that an adaptation would ultimately be “up to the good folks at Warner Bros. and stuff, but if they were ever to call and say hey we want to do a cartoon version of that Superman script we wrote, believe me I’d be like, that’d be dope man.” Smith’s been quite active with comic book-based projects this past year, directing episodes of “The Flash” and “Supergirl,” so an animated film could be a natural next step.

In recent years, “Superman Lives” — a scrapped ’90s revival of the Superman franchise, which was to be directed by Tim Burton — became a point of fascination for comic book fans. Stories of behind the scenes drama, scripts being leaked, and of course, images of Superman’s strange luminescent bio-suit sparked the imagination of fans, who wondered what this film would’ve looked like if it was fully realized. This interest from fans culminated in a crowdfunded documentary, “The Death of ‘Superman Lives’: What Happened?,” released last year, where director Jon Schnepp interviewed a number of key figures in the production of “Superman Lives,” including Kevin Smith himself. It’s fair to say that there’s still an audience curious about what “Superman Lives” would look like if it was realized in some capacity.

Recently, DC has been taking more risks with their animated features, releasing R-rated films like “The Killing Joke” and the upcoming “Justice League Dark” alongside the family-friend “Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders,” which is a sequel to the ’60s live action “Batman” series starring Adam West. With this in mind, there may be hope that “Superman Lives” could be resurrected.

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THR 6/19/2013:
'Man of Steel': How Jon Peters Could Earn $15 Million -- for Doing Nothing
The studio mogul-turned-producer, blocked from working on the set, nonetheless scored a Kryptonite-proof check thanks to Hollywood's early adopter system.

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"I Am the Trump of Hollywood": The Reclusive and Outrageous Jon Peters Is Still Rich. Really Rich
In his first interview in 10 years, and with a loaded gun on the coffee table, the legendary former hairdresser turned producer and studio chief opens up about voting for Donald — kept secret from "love of his life" Barbra Streisand — his feud with Peter Guber and how it feels to collect huge paychecks on Superman movies for doing nothing.
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"I took one hit before this thing," says Peters, who, in a Hollywood career that seems inconceivable in today's business, rose from hairdresser to running Columbia Pictures and launching the Batman movie franchise and relaunching Superman before an epic flame-out in the '90s. "Something about marijuana makes me talkative and communicative and present, and without it I get very quiet and watch movies and I'm kind of distracted."

For the past 2½ years, ever since I reported that he was paid between $10 million and $15 million to do absolutely nothing on 2013's Man of Steel, a figure confirmed by then-Warner Bros. chief Jeff Robinov, I've been trying to land an interview with Peters. At the time, there were rumblings that the real figure was closer to $50 million. After several rebuffs, Peters finally acquiesced, granting his first interview in 10 years. Now he sits in a living room adorned with Native American artifacts, movie posters and memorabilia as an antique pistol rests on the table. ("Yeah, there's two bullets in it," he says casually.) One of the first questions he answers is about his cut on [Superman films. He says he took home $80 million to $85 million combined for 2006's Superman Returns and Zack Snyder's Man of Steel thanks to backend granted for his role in jumpstarting the franchise in the '90s. Warners declined to comment. "I have 7.5 percent of the gross," says Peters. "Together they did [more than] a billion." He adds he was banned from the set of Man of Steel at the behest of producer Christopher Nolan: "My reputation scares these guys."

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On its $35 million budget, the film earned $411 million ($160 million of it overseas), demonstrating the global potential of superhero movies. Star Michael Keaton generally is praised as the best Batman ever.


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Kevin Smith's Superman Lives and Tim Burton's Superman are two completely different things. If they made a cartoon based Wesley Strick and Dan Gilroy's story, Smith wouldn't receive credit. And WB would inevitability side with Smith, so wouldn't it make more sense for it to be Sean Penn in the Kevin Smith version? The public can't seem to separate the two versions, and Smith is perpetuating the ignorance. Burton and Cage had zero involvement or input on those Smith drafts.


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I wish they'd do an animated adaptation of this.

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Found this online, not sure who to credit for it but it's quality.

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Couple of weeks ago I watched the documentary DEATH OF SUPERMAN LIVES.....interesting to watch....lots of pre production footage...some informative interviews (wish Kevin Smith could learn to refrain from using the F word in every sentence).

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Couple of weeks ago I watched the documentary DEATH OF SUPERMAN LIVES.....interesting to watch....lots of pre production footage...some informative interviews (wish Kevin Smith could learn to refrain from using the F word in every sentence).
even though i liked superman returns.it would have been intresting to see it made.though i have feeling it may have been divise film.of course that has been true for many recent dc films except for batman begins,dark knight,and wonder woman.

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I'm watching it now (seen it multiple times before too). There's just a part of me that would have lived to have seen them make this film even with Nic Cage as Superman. While I believe he's completely wrong for the part I loved the ideas he and Tim Burton were creating. It would have been fascinating.

As someone whose read the the scripts thoygh, I preferred the ideas in Kevin Smith's script although I don't disagree with Peters that it lacked structure. It was more like the comic books and I think with a better writer giving it structure and tightening it up would have worked.

Strick's script (which Gilroy later edited) is full of cringey dialogue like we heard in Batman Returns before under Burton. It had some great moments in it though.

Another thought though, can you imagine what the budget for this would have been?

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The documentary has a cool scene of Superman landing. It seems like this movie could have looked really good.

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Yeah that looked really good, especially for it's time too.

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I saw this documentary a few months back and I'm probably the minority but I think this movie would've been a visual feast and that Cage would've been a wonderfully quirky Superman or Clark Kent the same way Keaton was for Batman.

I'd still pay money to watch this movie get made.

Ironically enough doh, I think Cage would play an excellent Lex Luthor now.

If I were Burton, I would've made him play both roles haha!

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