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Old 02-21-2017, 11:09 PM   #26
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Wow, so many questions. Inside the framework May is the leader of Hydra? Jemma is dead? Daisy and Ward are a couple? Fitz is with someone mysterious?
Fitz is with Aida.

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Fitz is with Aida.
Makes a lot of sense...but wow...if Fitz is in love with Aida in his mind then that's..some messed up stuff there.

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Best episode since turn, turn, turn. Want to see what's next.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:13 PM   #29
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I absolutely loved this episode! It's gonna be a long wait until April!

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That may have been one of the greatest hours of television I have ever seen my heart is still pounding, abosolutely amazing, I cant believe we have to wait till April for the show to come back.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:17 PM   #31
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Agents of Hydra! Ward is officially back!!!

AOS is getting back with each season. Marvel's TV game is as strong as movies.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:17 PM   #32
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I'm so angry though.

Like, this episode was perfection in some parts now it seems like a convoluted mess.

I hate that Ward is back.

Why is Jemma dead?

Who is Fitz with? Please don't be AIDA

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:26 PM   #33
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All the convoluted stuff is inside the Framework.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:29 PM   #34
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This ep...


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All the convoluted stuff is inside the Framework.
Yeah because it's the erasure of a deeply held regret in each of their minds. Therefore we'll be dealing with lots of unforseen consequences.

I am so stoked about Ward. This is awesome.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:31 PM   #36
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The action, the acting, the choreography, special effects (daisy ripping through mac epic) even the music was wonderful just a great episode from start to finish, soo many questions but im sure were going to get them answered and its going to be great a ride.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:32 PM   #37
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Congrats to Jed Whedon. This was his first directorial effort and he absolutely knocked it out of the park.

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*offers slow clap which transforms into a mighty roarclap to Jed Whedon*

Dude...we love you.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:41 PM   #39
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Did anyone else get a Sarah Conner from T2 vibe when daisy was going up against mace with that shotgun? I though that was really cool and yes great work by Jed.

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I'm perfectly fine with the idea of this show returning with a take on "What if?"...but I hear that they will finally address Graviton...and I really would prefer for that to be dealt with in the "real" world and not the Framework.

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Old 02-21-2017, 11:55 PM   #41
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..and I really would prefer for that to be dealt with in the "real" world and not the Framework.
The ghost rider and lmd arcs where dealing with the more physical and mystical side of AoS now this will be dealing with the emotional and psychological battle that our characters must deal with. Im really excited to see the different ways they deal with these scenarios.

Just think of the Mac story line by itself they have to convince him that his daughter is not really alive I mean it could be a possibility where he actually would not want to leave the framework. Soo much fun stuff is coming just sucks soo bad we have to wait soo long.

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Makes a lot of sense...but wow...if Fitz is in love with Aida in his mind then that's..some messed up stuff there.
Could it be that these thoughts are not actually his, but actually those created by AIDA and Radcliffe when they created the framework? AIDA could be with Fitz in the framework because she personally likes him/Radcliffe wants him with her and Jemma is dead because AIDA hates her for being with Fitz/Radcliffe needs her out of the way to pair Fitz and AIDA.

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....wait, HOW is Ward back?

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Could it be that these thoughts are not actually his, but actually those created by AIDA and Radcliffe when they created the framework? AIDA could be with Fitz in the framework because she personally likes him/Radcliffe wants him with her and Jemma is dead because AIDA hates her for being with Fitz/Radcliffe needs her out of the way to pair Fitz and AIDA.
Welcome aboard Trich! I NEED to see this episode! lol

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Welcome aboard Trich! I NEED to see this episode! lol
Thanks

Another question: Jemma said to Daisy before they entered the framework that staying too long could cause issues and dying in the framework would lead to death outside as well. If Jemma is already dead within the framework, when she enters, will she be invincible?

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The ghost rider and lmd arcs where dealing with the more physical and mystical side of AoS now this will be dealing with the emotional and psychological battle that our characters must deal with. Im really excited to see the different ways they deal with these scenarios.

Just think of the Mac story line by itself they have to convince him that his daughter is not really alive I mean it could be a possibility where he actually would not want to leave the framework. Soo much fun stuff is coming just sucks soo bad we have to wait soo long.
None of what you typed addresses Graviton...which is what my comment that you quoted was about.

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Old 02-22-2017, 12:19 AM   #47
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....wait, HOW is Ward back?
Isn't that supposed to be recast Lincoln? Maybe Aida made a goof and made a hybrid of Lincoln & Ward inside the Framework.

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That might be the best episode Agents of SHIELD has ever done.

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....wait, HOW is Ward back?
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
If you saw near the end, Daisy and Jemma were strapped to those pods in order to find the rest of the team and have to go through an alternate timeline to find them.

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So... is the Superior MODOK, Doctor Sun or somebody else? If he's one of the former two, I really hope he isn't killed off since MODOK absolutely deserves to be the big bad in an Avengers film and if Marvel finally do something with Blade, they need Doctor Sun.

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