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Old 04-05-2017, 08:56 AM   #1
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THERE’S NO WAY OUT FOR DAISY AND SIMMONS, ON ABC’S ‘MARVEL’S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.’

“Identity and Change” – As Daisy and Simmons struggle to discover an escape route to the real world, the identity of the Inhuman leader of the Resistance is revealed, on “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” TUESDAY, APRIL 11 (10:00-11:00 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network.

“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Chloe Bennet as Daisy Johnson, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons, Henry Simmons as Agent Alphonso “Mack” MacKenzie and John Hannah as Holden Radcliffe .

Guest starring are Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Jason O’Mara as Jeffrey Mace, Frances Gregg as Amy, Jordan Rivera as Hope, Randall J. Bacon as lead Hydra agent, Brandon Walter as person in line, David Landry as Hydra special agent, David Weiss as serious man and Patrick Cavanaugh as Burrows.

“Identity and Change” was written by George Kitson and directed by Garry A. Brown.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:22 AM   #2
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The framework is like Nazi Germany.

I'm happy to see Mack again though.

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Old 04-10-2017, 01:02 PM   #4
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That looks like Stella Gregg playing that kid .I guess Frances was a Dirty Dancing joke - that's baby's actual name





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Very fond of the young actress playing Amy here.


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Old 04-11-2017, 10:25 PM   #6
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Some not-so subtle parallels being drawn in this one.

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Old 04-11-2017, 10:30 PM   #7
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Mack and his dagughter are great its going be tough to get mack to accept reality.

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Old 04-11-2017, 10:33 PM   #8
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In the end none of it is real & they wanna get out & save their friends & destroy the damn place including every fake person in it (except fake Ward hes gonna escape into the real world somehow) so this does take away from the drama in the long run & the real ones have the they are not themselves excuse as well

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I was hoping this would be over tonight and get everyone back to the "real" world.

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It's so great to see Ward with the team again. I'm loving all the season one callbacks.

"It's a magical place"!!

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And my wife just walked out of the room in disgust.


Edit... her exact words were "if he shoots her I'm done."


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Old 04-11-2017, 10:56 PM   #12
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Omg! Does this mean fitz has some evil in him, my heart is racing.

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Omg! Does this mean fitz has some evil in him, my heart is racing.
I know! I'm thinking the same thing.

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Well that episode was entirely too short.

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Amazing episode im completely drained, soo many levels to think about.

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Evil Fitz is terrifying.

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Another really good episode...though some of the acting was pretty weak.

I'm actually starting to prefer the Framework over the real world for this show...in that the team is at a disadvantage to their more powerful villains (something rare in the MCU)...and the team being in the framework means that it actually is separate from the MCU...which the movies already seem to be acting like anyway. I'm not saying that the team should stay in the Framework forever...but its nice to see the heroes being severely outgunned, out-manned and out-funded by a better organized group that they have to struggle to overcome.

Fitz is a screwed up guy...and personally, I need to see some "real world" consequences for his actions when this is over (though they'll probably just write it off as "he was brainwashed"...I find it odd that he seemed to be falling for Aida in the real world and actually is in love with her in the Framework).

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Remember guys this is not even Fitz as his brain has been brainwashed

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(though they'll probably just write it off as "he was brainwashed").
Thats exactly what happened though & he killed an already dead woman

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The woman he killed is dead in the real world guys

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We know that she is dead in the real world. He still killed what was "left" of her...and he thought she was real, so the fact that she isnt hardly matters. His intention was to kill a person.

It depends on exactly when Fitz got replaced. In the real world, Fitz still seemed to have an infatuation/fascination with Aida.

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We know that she is dead in the real world. He still killed what was "left" of her...and he thought she was real, so the fact that she isnt hardly matters. His intention was to kill a person.

It depends on exactly when Fitz got replaced. In the real world, Fitz still seemed to have an infatuation/fascination with Aida.
He did not think anything the character is still brainwashed to think otherwise

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Perhaps Coulson can come up with some Anti Soap thingy so that the others can get their memories back

Skye seemed to have brought back Coulson & will likely bring back Mack
Coulson will likely bring back May
Simmons will obviously bring back Fitz when they are in the same room together without Aida
Not sure who can bring back Mace

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The virtual version of Fitz thinks it.

Do we know for a fact (like...admitted by Aida) that she altered Fitz's brainwaves to force him to love her and be willing to kill in cold blood? I'm asking.

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The virtual version of Fitz thinks it.

Do we know for a fact (like...admitted by Aida) that she altered Fitz's brainwaves to force him to love her and be willing to kill in cold blood?
She clearly erased Simmons from his mind so who knows what else she did & she always suspected that somehow they would get in to know to immediately disable their escape


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She clearly erased Simmons from his mind so who knows what else she did & she had to had always suspect that somehow they would get in to know to immediately disable their escape
The point of the framework was to create a world where a regret is removed or whatever...so memories of your actual life HAS to be erased, so you can be at square one. May's obviously had a domino effect on the world, as did Coulson's etc. You are talking as if it is established that he is brainwashed...but when I asked for some sort of evidence you fell to "who knows what else she did." The framework design isn't about brainwashing...it's about removing memories and allowing you to set a different course based on wishes, regrets etc...that your virtual self and the virtual world then has to adjust to.

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