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Old 12-15-2012, 08:14 PM   #626
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Nobody cares unless it was badly noticeable.. which it isn't. 6'1 is still well above the average height of an American. He won't be looking short unless he is standing next to someone that is 6'4/6'5.

Also Batman/Bruce Wayne is usually drawn as being a similar height to Superman in comics & according to Google Superman is usually billed at being around 6'3 & Batman as being 6'2. Christian Bale is 183cm, which is essentially 6ft on the button & nobody cares because he doesn't look short on screen in comparison to the cast around him.. AND because he was a good Bruce Wayne/Batman.

Wolverine is another example, he is supposedly very short & is usually billed (according to Google) as 5'4 or in & around that region.. yet he is being played by Hugh Jackman who is 6'2/6'3.

In my opinion Tom Welling should have been cast for the previous rejuvenation of the Superman character on the big screen in 2005/2006 & Smallville should have been wrapped up at that point. His ship sailed for playing Superman in anything other than Smallville once Brandon Routh landed the role. However every cloud & all, because he didn't get the role he avoided going into Superman Returns which was failure & ended up having more success on TV staying with Smallville.

Henry Cavill will do just fine.
This not an American we are talking about...
this is bloody SUPERMAN for crying out loud!
He needs to have a commanding presence, IMHO.
Supershrimp over here looks too tiny. PAPA Kent is as tall as he is, ZOD is taller, Perry White is just as tall (and I bet he can dunk and Supes can't) etc.

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Or maybe I'm from a tall family?
I knew a girl in college who was 6'3" and whose entire family was over 6'2". Even her then 14-year-old brother was 6'4" and for sure he's taller now.

So yes, to them, 6'1" is "short." But for 5'5" me, 6'1" is plenty tall!

Also, Bale looked short in some shots as Bruce Wayne. That's because Neeson, Freeman, and Caine are ALL FRIGGIN TALL. As long as Henry looks tall in the shot, who cares how tall he is in real life? Geez, some of you should stop thinking that Henry is actually Superman in real life.

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This not an American we are talking about...
this is bloody SUPERMAN for crying out loud!
He needs to have a commanding presence, IMHO.
Supershrimp over here looks too tiny. PAPA Kent is as tall as he is, ZOD is taller, Perry White is just as tall (and I bet he can dunk and Supes can't) etc.

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LOL @ the word "casted".

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Congrats Dagoods...you just won an all expenses paid trip to probationville. You will enjoy a seven day stay in limbo land. Have a nice time there.

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Cavill looks plenty tall to Ma Kent. When they are hugging in the doorway of the Kent farmhouse, he is is stooping down to hug her and she is still on her tip toes.



(Not the best screencap, but the only one I could find that that wasn't huge)

By the way, is it just me or is the whole mom on tippy toes to give her soon a good luck hug just adorable?

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I knew a girl in college who was 6'3" and whose entire family was over 6'2". Even her then 14-year-old brother was 6'4" and for sure he's taller now.

So yes, to them, 6'1" is "short." But for 5'5" me, 6'1" is plenty tall!

Also, Bale looked short in some shots as Bruce Wayne. That's because Neeson, Freeman, and Caine are ALL FRIGGIN TALL. As long as Henry looks tall in the shot, who cares how tall he is in real life? Geez, some of you should stop thinking that Henry is actually Superman in real life.
Sure, people have different standards for whatever reason, but, when you look at both statistics as well as pop culture perception, 6' 2" is simply not considered short. And although, some often choose to avoid discussing what is considered intermediate, there actually is a word out there that falls between tall and short; it's called "average".

For males: The average height in the Netherlands (home of the world's tallest) is 6' 0.8"; the average height in the US is 5' 10.2"; and the average height in the UK is 5' 9.6". Cavill, at 6' 1", is above all three averages and is therefore acceptably tall. Very tall? No. Reasonably tall? Sure.

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Sure, people have different standards for whatever reason, but, when you look at both statistics as well as pop culture perception, 6' 2" is simply not considered short. And although, some often choose to avoid discussing what is considered intermediate, there actually is a word out there that falls between tall and short; it's called "average".

For males: The average height in the Netherlands (home of the world's tallest) is 6' 0.8"; the average height in the US is 5' 10.2"; and the average height in the UK is 5' 9.6". Cavill, at 6' 1", is above all three averages and is therefore acceptably tall. Very tall? No. Reasonably tall? Sure.
I don't get the obsession over numbers. It's all about how he looks onscreen and so far Cavill looks the right height compared to everyone around him. In the recently released poster, he is portrayed as a head taller than the soldiers escorting him. When hugging Ma Kent, Superman has to bend down in addition to Ma Kent having to stand on her tippy toes. And Diane Lane is average height.

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I don't get the obsession over numbers. It's all about how he looks onscreen and so far Cavill looks the right height compared to everyone around him. In the recently released poster, he is portrayed as a head taller than the soldiers escorting him. When hugging Ma Kent, Superman has to bend down in addition to Ma Kent having to stand on her tippy toes. And Diane Lane is average height.
Yeah, I don't think the average viewer is going to compare HC's height w/ that of his predecessors. The difference in height between them isn't all that noticeable. Now, I can imagine some people making a fuss if he had a poor physique, but we don't have to worry about that. HC is arguably the most powerful looking Superman we've ever had (Welling doesn't count since he only played CK, and I think HC has Dean Cain beat in the physique department). So, it's a win win situation; and I'll also add that if Tom Hardy can be made to look imposing on-screen, fans of Cavill and/or MOS have nothing to worry about.

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The height issue again bloody hell I'm 5'4 everyone's taller than me

Cavillis definitely plenty tall enough

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As far as physique HC beats out most actors that play comic book superheros. He's the perfect balance of lean muscle and size, with still being ripped.

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As far as physique HC beats out most actors that play comic book superheros. He's the perfect balance of lean muscle and size, with still being ripped.

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As far as physique HC beats out most actors that play comic book superheros. He's the perfect balance of lean muscle and size, with still being ripped.
Yesterday at dinner with my family my brother said that Cavill wasn't musclar enough. I was like what are you talking about he looks great. He thinks that nobody is big enough to play Superman so I just ignore him. He liked the trailer though.

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Henry definitely has the best proportions of anyone who has played the role on screen. Wide shoulders and a very narrow waist really give that comic book look. I think he does and will look great on the big screen. I would venture to say that he most likely put in the most grueling training of all the Supermen.

I think some of the "complaining" may be when we see Henry among other people, especially in real life and eventually on chat shows and such, he probably won't tower over people like a Reeve, Welling or Routh did. And I'm not just talking about height but frame as well. IMO Henry has more of normal person's frame and isn't a naturally big guy like a Reeve or Welling, or even Routh seems to be now. Makes it all the more impressive considering how he looks now. But he does seem to have small hands, small wrists, etc. Compare that to Reeve, who people would joke about how their hands would dissapear when they shook his hand, etc. Just a naturally big guy.

If they invite Brandon Routh to the MOS premiere and he snaps a pic next to Henry
I think people will be suprised that Brandon would probably dwarf Henry side by side in real life. Not even in overall muscularity but just sheer size.

With Henry we're basically dealing with A Dean Cain sized guy with less bodyfat and face that screams Superman.

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Yesterday at dinner with my family my brother said that Cavill wasn't musclar enough. I was like what are you talking about he looks great. He thinks that nobody is big enough to play Superman so I just ignore him. He liked the trailer though.
Ha ha really? Show him that pic of Cavill where he's git ripped trousers n that bet he wouldn't say that then.

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Ha ha really? Show him that pic of Cavill where he's git ripped trousers n that bet he wouldn't say that then.


Yep Cavill got pretty damn ripped for the role.

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Yep Cavill got pretty damn ripped for the role.
Yep that's what I was talking about over than Chris Evans for Cap I can't think of anyone see whose gotten this in shape.

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To be fair to her cousin, the trailer didn't really have any shots that showcased or lingered on his physique. The two shots he was shirtless on he was silhouetted from behind underwater and on fire respectively.

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Ha ha really? Show him that pic of Cavill where he's git ripped trousers n that bet he wouldn't say that then.
Yeah, I might post them on my facebook page so he can see.

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Yep Cavill got pretty damn ripped for the role.
I mean look at these! I'm sure he worked very hard to get into shape. He may not be as tall and as natrually built as some pass Supermen but he isn't a small guy.

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To be fair to her cousin, the trailer didn't really have any shots that showcased or lingered on his physique. The two shots he was shirtless on he was silhouetted from behind underwater and on fire respectively.
You have a point, my brother and noone else got a great look at his body in the trailer.

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Yeah, I might post them on my facebook page so he can see.

I mean look at these! I'm sure he worked very hard to get into shape. He may not be as tall and as natrually built as some pass Supermen but he isn't a small guy.


You have a point, my brother and noone else got a great look at his body in the trailer.

The fact that he isn't as naturally big as some of the others, and seeing what he looks like today, is a real testament to the work the man put in.

And not to get too nerdy about the workout stuff, but Henry's muscles look very real, dry, hard, and permanent (yes that felt every bit as awkward typing as it did you reading it). It doesn't look like his muscles are filled with air and water like some others, i.e. Evans. The look like real gains that he can build upon for the sequels. He looks like a MMA fighter more than a bodybuilder. He looks like he has real strength vs. puffed up beach muscles. Which, by the way, is much harder to do compared to cycling creatine and just "pumping" up.

And looking at how the handcuff scene was shot gives me confidence that Snyder will shoot all of the money shots in such a way to make him look even bigger/taller than he is.
He will look amazing on screen.

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And not to get too nerdy about the workout stuff, but Henry's muscles look very real, dry, hard, and permanent (yes that felt every bit as awkward typing as it did you reading it). It doesn't look like his muscles are filled with air and water like some others, i.e. Evans. The look like real gains that he can build upon for the sequels.
Welcome to the boards and great post! I said the same thing when those photos were first released. His physique appears to have far greater muscle maturity than that of guys like Evans in Captain America or Hemsworth in Thor. Those guys looked like they had gone on a quick cycle and seemed fake and watery as a result.

However, I don't know where all the comments about Cavill not being as "naturally built" as other Superman actors is coming from. Sure, he may be shorter than Reeve, Welling, or Routh, but other than Welling, none of them really had a natural, Superman-esque frame or structure. Reeve and Routh were both moreso tall, skinny beanpole types before trying to get in shape for the role. Even after putting on muscle, Routh's physique wasn't very Superman-esque and it wasn't just the suit. He had a long torso and wide waist, which is the opposite of the broad shouldered, v-shaped torso that Superman typical is depicted as having. Although not Superman's canon 6'3" in height, Cavill has far more similar proportions to Superman as depicted in the comics. He has broad shoulders and a narrow waist. His hard work is more evident because he has good structure to begin with.

It also helps that Gym Jones seems to have put great emphasis on making sure his back matched the rest of him. I think Cavill is the first time we have Superman where you can see his lats from the front like in the comics. (hence his excellent v-shape)

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Cavill looks plenty tall to Ma Kent. When they are hugging in the doorway of the Kent farmhouse, he is is stooping down to hug her and she is still on her tip toes.

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(Not the best screencap, but the only one I could find that that wasn't huge)

By the way, is it just me or is the whole mom on tippy toes to give her soon a good luck hug just adorable?
It's not just you. I've loved this shot since I first saw it in the trailer. It looks to me that he's on his way to battle Zod and they're hugging because they don't know if they'll see each other again.

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It also helps that he was already in phenomenal shape for the Immortals.


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Thanks for the welcome DK Detective and I agree that proportionately Henry is tops. With his shirt off or in the suit he will look amazing.
I'm more talking about outside the suit and in normal clothing either as Clark or even in real life. I just think when we start seeing Henry doing talk shows, etc. he won't be dwarfing normal people like Reeve did. This could even help differentiate the disguise though. Throw a normal shirt on a 6.0 ft. ripped guy and he will blend in more than a 6ft 4 guy who is in similar, if slightly less muscular, shape.
Again, this means absolutely nothing on film as tricks can be played, see the handcuff scene, but we have to get over our desire to see our Superman actor making everyone else around them look like children.

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Welcome to the boards and great post! I said the same thing when those photos were first released. His physique appears to have far greater muscle maturity than that of guys like Evans in Captain America or Hemsworth in Thor. Those guys looked like they had gone on a quick cycle and seemed fake and watery as a result.

However, I don't know where all the comments about Cavill not being as "naturally built" as other Superman actors is coming from. Sure, he may be shorter than Reeve, Welling, or Routh, but other than Welling, none of them really had a natural, Superman-esque frame or structure. Reeve and Routh were both moreso tall, skinny beanpole types before trying to get in shape for the role. Even after putting on muscle, Routh's physique wasn't very Superman-esque and it wasn't just the suit. He had a long torso and wide waist, which is the opposite of the broad shouldered, v-shaped torso that Superman typical is depicted as having. Although not Superman's canon 6'3" in height, Cavill has far more similar proportions to Superman as depicted in the comics. He has broad shoulders and a narrow waist. His hard work is more evident because he has good structure to begin with.

It also helps that Gym Jones seems to have put great emphasis on making sure his back matched the rest of him. I think Cavill is the first time we have Superman where you can see his lats from the front like in the comics. (hence his excellent v-shape)
Great post, as usual, DKD; and specifically because of that, I don't have much to add. I'll just say this. When it comes to Superman, I think it's best to look at all of the qualities which define the character and hope these qualities are evenly balanced in the actor who portrays him.

Looking at HC, I think you get the feeling that this guy could really be Superman. Everything from his mannerisms to his spot-on facial appearance reflects that.

And in my opinion, more-so than any other actor who has portrayed the character (aside from Welling, who technically never wore the costume), HC's physique looks like that of an actual superhero.



When you consider all that, nitpicking about his height, which is only a couple inches shy of the ideal perception of Superman, seems rather silly.

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