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05-19-2012, 03:25 PM
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Then or Now: which was better?
Okay. Simple question that I thought would be fun to ask... Who were the creative teams when you first got into comics, and have the creative teams/stories gotten better or gotten worse since then?
Here's what I can remember from my first purchases... Aquaman Then: Will Pfiffer (Aquaman #28) Now: Geoff Johns Verdict: Worse Action Comics Then: Chuck Austen (Action Comics #823) Now: Grant Morrison Verdict: Better Batgirl Then: Dylan Horrocks (Batgirl #55) Now: Gail Simone Verdict: Worse Batman Then: Judd Winick (Batman #630) Now: Scott Snyder Verdict: Better Detective Comics Then: Dave Lapham (Detective #801) Now: Tony Daniel Verdict: Worse The Flash Then: Geoff Johns (The Flash #219) Now: Francis Manapul Verdict: Tie Green Arrow Then: Judd Winick Now: Ann Nocenti Verdict: Worse Green Lantern Then: Geoff Johns (Green Lantern: Rebirth #1) Now: Geoff Johns Verdict: Tie Justice League Then: Kurt Busiek Now: Geoff Johns Verdict: Tie JSA/Eath 2 Then: Geoff Johns Now: James Robinson Verdict: Worse Nightwing Then: Devin Greyson Now: Kyle Higgins Verdict: Better Superman/Adventures of Superman Then: Greg Rucka Now: Dan Jurgens Verdict: Worse Teen Titans Then: Geoff Johns Now: Scott Lobdell Verdict: Worse Wonder Woman Then: Greg Rucka Now: Brian Azzrello Verdict: Worse
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05-20-2012, 01:14 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
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Then: Metzler Now: Johns Verdict: Tie |
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05-20-2012, 08:03 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
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Then: Kurt Busiek/Geoff Johns (Action Comics #837) Now: Grant Morrison (Action Comics #9) Verdict: Better Aquaman Then: Kurt Busiek (Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis #40) Now: Geoff Johns (Aquaman #8) Verdict: Better Batman Then (individual issues): Judd Winick (Batman #650) Then (TPB): Frank Miller (Batman: Year One) Now: Scott Snyder (Batman #9) Verdict: Better Firestorm Then: Stuart Moore (Firestorm: The Nuclear Man #23) Now: Ethan van Sciver (the Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men #8) Verdict: Worse The Flash Then (individual issues): Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo (the Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #1) Then (TPB): Geoff Johns (the Flash: Ignition) Now: Brian Buccellato (the Flash #8) Verdict: Better Green Arrow Then (individual issues): Judd Winick (Green Arrow #60) Then (TPB): Kevin Smith (Green Arrow: Quiver) Now: Ann Nocenti (Green Arrow #9) Verdict: Worse Green Lantern Then: Geoff Johns (Green Lantern #10) Now: Geoff Johns (Green Lantern #9) Verdict: Tie Green Lantern Corps Then: Dave Gibbons (Green Lantern Corps #1) Now: Peter Tomasi (Green Lantern Corps #9) Verdict: Tie Justice League Then (individual issues): Alan Heinberg/Geoff Johns (JLA #115) Then (TPB): Mark Waid (JLA: Tower of Babel) Now: Geoff Johns (Justice League #9) Verdict: Worse Legion of Super-Heroes Then: Paul Levitz (Legion of Super-Heroes #1) Now: Paul Levitz (Legion of Super-Heroes #9) Verdict: Tie Superman Then (individual issues): Kurt Busiek/Geoff Johns (Superman #650) Then (TPB): Various (Superman: Our World's at War) Now: Keith Giffen/Dan Jurgens (Superman #8) Verdict: Worse Teen Titans Then (individual issues): Geoff Johns (Teen Titans #17) Then (TPB): Geoff Johns (Teen Titans: A Kid's Game) Now: Scott Lobdell Verdict: A ****ing attrocity Wonder Woman Then: Alan Heinberg (Wonder Woman #1) Now: Brian Azzarello (Wonder Woman #9) Verdict: Better |
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05-20-2012, 09:27 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
I didn't realize you were so new to comics, Double H.
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05-20-2012, 09:34 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
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05-20-2012, 09:35 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
I still feel like I'm a newbie to comics and it's been 8 years now.
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05-20-2012, 10:40 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
It was Rebirth/Hush (obviously) for me but honestly before that I was a tradeoholic at the library. The first single issues I bought were DC VS Marvel and wow have comics come a long way.
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05-21-2012, 10:49 AM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
I got into comics in the 90's with stuff like Starman,Doom Patrol and the Invisibles as well as Batman, Spider Man and X-men which i knew about from the cartoons
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05-21-2012, 06:03 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
I started really getting into DC in the early '00s. It's been about 10 or 11 years for me. I can't really do too many of these, though, because I've dropped so much of DC's line that the verdict on nearly everything would be either "doesn't exist anymore" or "not reading it now." So, barring those:
Action Comics (c. 2002, 2003) Then: Joe Kelly Now: Grant Morrison Verdict: Worse (Morrison's great, but this is the Kelly run with "What's so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?," one of the greatest Superman stories ever. I also liked Kelly's run a lot in general as just fun, well written superhero comics.) Aquaman (2003 series, #1) Then: Rick Veitch (I went back and read a lot of Peter David's run and Silver Age Aquaman stuff, but that was later.) Now: Geoff Johns Verdict: Worse (Veitch got terrible quick, but that first arc featured a lot of awesome ideas for the character.) Batman (c. 2000) Then: Greg Rucka Now: Scott Snyder Verdict: Worse (But just barely. Rucka, Brubaker, and "No Man's Land" sort of got me into the whole Bat-family, though, and into the larger DC universe through stuff like Lex Luthor showing up to rebuild Gotham. Plus, they were just great comics.) Green Lantern/Green Lantern: New Guardians (I'm going with this comparison from a character standpoint, i.e. I was reading about Kyle in GL but now he's in New Guardians.) Then: Judd Winick Now: Tony Bedard Verdict: About even.
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05-21-2012, 06:10 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
As much as I general love Rucka and Bru, I was never a big fan of their Batman.
Their tone was always a bit too realistic/gritty/hardboiled for me. I like having more color and fantasy with my Batman stories.
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05-21-2012, 06:11 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
As much as I general love Rucka and Bru, I was never a big fan of their Batman.
Their tone was always a bit too realistic/gritty/hardboiled for me. I like having more color and fantasy with my Batman stories.
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05-21-2012, 06:13 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
Rucka and Brubaker also made their Batman a bit too much of a dick IMO. I prefer Snyder's dark yet still very compassionate Batman far more.
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05-21-2012, 06:25 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
It's more for the family aspect than anything else. However obnoxious Brubaker and Rucka's Batman was, he relied heavily on his compatriots and the Bat-family felt more like a real family then than I've seen since. Their run is the reason I decided to check out comics about Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, even the Birds of Prey.
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05-21-2012, 06:29 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
The Bat-family is still pretty close knit though. Maybe even moreso now considering that Robin is Batman's biological son, along with Tim Drake and Cassandra Cain being adopted by Bruce.
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05-21-2012, 06:36 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Batman: Fugitive was a pretty great example of the Bat-Family's importance.
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
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Cass' parental issues are just ridiculous at this point in spite of the great way her series sort of closed the book on them, so I just try to ignore them. DC's obliging by not having her appear anywhere these days, I guess.
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05-22-2012, 10:31 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
Hush had them as a family, Loeb wrote the Family well.
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05-23-2012, 04:17 PM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
Guys. For cereal, now. I know the family is a big part of practically every Batman comic, I'm just saying Brubaker and Rucka handled it really well and made me a fan.
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05-24-2012, 04:38 AM
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Re: Then or Now: which was better?
I will pretend that I got into comics when I was 6 years old since that is the moment you start to think more clearly, but I've been exposed to them... well, since I exist because of my brother and my father(!).
Action Comics T: Marv Wolfman N: Grant Morrison [x] Superman T: Cary Bates [x] N: Dan Jurgens Batman T: Gerry Conway [x] N: Scott Snyder Detective Comics T: Gerry Conway [x][x][x] N: Tony Daniel The Flash T: Cary Bates [x] N: Francis Manapul Green Arrow T: did not exist as a solo title until a few month later, Joey Cavalieri wrote his back-up stories in 'Tec N: Ann Nocenti ---> No idea, i don't read it but everything should be better than good ol' Joey Green Lantern T: Mike W Barr N: Geoff Johns ---> Tie. Justice League T: Gerry Conway [x] N: Geoff Johns
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