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Old 09-14-2017, 12:18 AM   #651
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I totally agree, i have been championing this for ages, the oo agents can make a perfect basis for a TV show or origins movie.

The oo agents are individual and unique - each one has a decent back story - how did they get there.

What they need to do is with a new Bond, the first film needs to show his origins, as an example, him in the navy being tapped up by her majesty (ooh err) and then we see his early missions with the team around him, the dynamic, how he does, the botch jobs that give him his facial scar. Then we see him getting onto the oo list.

That's movie one.

Movie 2 we see him working in pairs/groups, we see him flirting with money penny in the field etc.

Then movie 2.5 is a oo agents movie that connects to the second Bond film.

Then they can both go their separate ways
No to another origin. It took several films to get a Bond similar to what we all know in the Craig era. I don't want to have to sit through that all again or have to watch the untold story of James Bond. It would be a pointless reboot just like the Amazing Spider-Man series.

I'd rather see Bond on a standard mission where he has no personal ties to it. We've been having personal missions for nearly the past 30 years.

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Old 09-14-2017, 01:54 AM   #652
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Yes, no more reboots or origins. It made sense with Casino Royale because it was the first time they had access to that novel and that book was really the start of what made James Bond James Bond. The story has been told.

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Old 09-14-2017, 03:11 AM   #653
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http://screenrant.com/james-bond-pro...ale-directors/

I'm actually very interested in this. I think having a director like Sam Taylor-Johnson would give the franchise a new coat of paint without going too far and doing a reboot

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I'm actually very interested in this. I think having a director like Sam Taylor-Johnson would give the franchise a new coat of paint without going too far and doing a reboot
I would hope they'd consider this. It's a damn shame that it even needs to be stated at all. It should be a given. I like your choice, or I think Bigelow would do a good job, even though it isn't a very inspired choice.

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I love Bigelow too but Sam knows sexy. Yeah it's definitely something overdue plus it would be fun!

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They approached Bigelow to do Skyfall(?), but apparently she wasn't interested in action films that have no journalistic merit.

Michelle MacLaren would probably be my choice of the female directors working today, she did some of my favourite episodes of Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones...I'd love to see some of that brutality in a small scale Bond story.

Though I'm fairly certain Yann Demange is doing this, and I have no problem with that.

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I don't care who does it as long as we get a quality Bond film. I hate this every other movie is good cycle they seem to be in.

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Old 09-14-2017, 03:49 AM   #658
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It's because when one film is great, they rush to get the next one out to capitalise on the popularity. I think that's why they now operate with 3-4 years between releases. We'll get less films out of an actor (unless they cast quite a bit younger than the typical mid-late 30s range) but I suppose in the long run it keeps their focus on making each instalment up a certain standard.

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It's because when one film is great, they rush to get the next one out to capitalise on the popularity. I think that's why they now operate with 3-4 years between releases. We'll get less films out of an actor (unless they cast quite a bit younger than the typical mid-late 30s range) but I suppose in the long run it keeps their focus on making each instalment up a certain standard.
I don't think there's a need to try and rush to capitalize on the popularity of Bond at this point. I'd say that's about covered. They'd be much better served by ensuring they get a top notch product out there as opposed to rushing out either a turd or something deathly mediocre. Hopefully they're starting to see that with the returns they're getting on these films.

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Old 09-14-2017, 04:21 AM   #660
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Eh, that's not so much an EON specific thing as it is the general mindset of studios these days to keep pumping out more films. I actually wish that more big franchises would reduce their output in favour of focusing on quality.

I do think though, EON have gotten to a point where even the lesser films they've made (QoS/Spectre) are still a step up from the failures they've had in the past. Pierce Brosnan especially had a rough go of it in his tenure where they put out a new film every other year.

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Well...they got beyond ridiculous with the gadgets and whatnot in that era, so I was put off for several reasons. I know there's a portion of the Bond audience that would like to see that come back, but that aspect has never interested me. Truth be told though, I'm not the largest Bond fan in general, so I'd just be happy if the die hards got a movie that they enjoyed on all fronts.

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Old 09-14-2017, 05:50 AM   #662
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It's because when one film is great, they rush to get the next one out to capitalise on the popularity. I think that's why they now operate with 3-4 years between releases. We'll get less films out of an actor (unless they cast quite a bit younger than the typical mid-late 30s range) but I suppose in the long run it keeps their focus on making each instalment up a certain standard.
Well in the 60s they had films come out even every year, yet we managed to get classics like From Russia With Love (1963), Goldfinger (1964) or Thunderball (1965) after Dr No (1962).

They should plan several films in advance so that, when filming one, they already are working on script for the next one (or have it in place). They also need to get rid of Purvis and Wade. They've worn out their stay.

They also don't need to keep trying to give Bond a personal mission each time. That's probably what makes writing the scripts much harder and more contrived, and don't turn out as well. Spectre certainly didn't need any personal connection to Blofeld.

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They obviously want you to feel invested, but I agree. Bond doesn't need some deep connection to every single villain in existence. How many times can you honestly wind up with a personal vendetta against every single evil organization out there? You'd have to have one hell of a family tree.

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Old 09-14-2017, 06:22 AM   #664
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They already did a female Bond, pretty well too.. atomic blonde!
I'm still waiting for that adaption of Greg Rucka's espionage comic Queen and Country which Ellen Page was attached to star in before it got trapped in development hell.

Tara Chace is a cool female spy in that series.

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Well in the 60s they had films come out even every year, yet we managed to get classics like From Russia With Love (1963), Goldfinger (1964) or Thunderball (1965) after Dr No (1962).

They should plan several films in advance so that, when filming one, they already are working on script for the next one (or have it in place). They also need to get rid of Purvis and Wade. They've worn out their stay.

They also don't need to keep trying to give Bond a personal mission each time. That's probably what makes writing the scripts much harder and more contrived, and don't turn out as well. Spectre certainly didn't need any personal connection to Blofeld.
I think the difference between now and then is that with the Connery and Lazenby films they had the novels to follow as a blueprint. Really, from Roger Moore onwards they were only using bits and pieces from the books, Fleming's novellas, or creating new stories wholesale and that often lead to mixed results. They had films out every second year and in that rush without a story already in place they'd often just recycle the story of previous films and get lazy with it.

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They approached Bigelow to do Skyfall(?), but apparently she wasn't interested in action films that have no journalistic merit.

Michelle MacLaren would probably be my choice of the female directors working today, she did some of my favourite episodes of Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones...I'd love to see some of that brutality in a small scale Bond story.

Though I'm fairly certain Yann Demange is doing this, and I have no problem with that.
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Very early in her career but

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Very early in her career but
Ha! Yeah, this was early on for her, but I'm not gonna lie...this movie is a TOTAL guilty pleasure of mine. I absolutely adore this turd.

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The budgets of those earlier films was also a lot smaller than it is today.

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The budgets of those earlier films was also a lot smaller than it is today.
Smaller budgets, but movies were also made far cheaper. I'd be curious to see some sort of conversion chart showing the differences.

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Bigelow's Point Break is a good movie no need to put it down.

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I love Bigelow too but Sam knows sexy. Yeah it's definitely something overdue plus it would be fun!
Yes, because she directed Fifty Shades of Grey

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Point Break is a bit of an anomaly in Bigelow's filmography to be fair.

Bigelow's last four feature films have been based on real events.

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Yup. Even this one.



Does Kathryn Bigelow even want to direct a James Bond film? Patty Jenkins is directing Wonder Woman 2, so she's probably out of the equation.

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Bigelow also directed Near Dark, which was a freaking Vampire Western. She just seems to be on a "make gritty action dramas based on real events" kick right now. Which fair enough, they're not bad films after all.

Michelle MacLaren could be an interesting choice as well.

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Not sure MacLaren should make her feature debut with a Bond film.

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