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Old 04-14-2006, 11:11 PM   #1
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Default Justice League Vs Avengers

This might have already been a post due to the Dc marvel crossover. Im just curious , the fact that the avengers can stand against the justice league is quite spectacular. In Dc marvel crossovers Thor and superman fight , superman beats him but throughout the series , it appears that the rest of the justice league is very weak , i mean quicksilver fighting the flash .... on and off and quicksilver beating him this is kind of interesting . Green lantern is greatly underestimated in this series , but i do love when captain america goes up against superman , not caring how much power superman has , captain america is amazing , he knows he is no match for superman but still stands up against him. Who do you guys like better the avengers or the justice league , i will [personally go with the avengers because of iron man , vision and captain america.

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Old 04-15-2006, 11:21 AM   #2
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say most people here is going to say Justice League. Atleast they've got my vote.

And the Justice League is much more powerful than the Avengers (depending on their members of course). Flash, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter could take on anyone and win.

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Well, I'm assuming we're going for the most popular/iconic line ups. Those being:



Justice League:

Superman
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Batman
Aquaman
The Flash


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Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Giant Man
Wasp
Vision


Now, the major clicnher in this fight would really be The Flash. Thor, while not having Superman's reflexes/reaction time, has a great deal more range, seeing as how he can conjur up a pretty nasty storm, ao thoaw two are pretty evenly matched. Captain America would defeat Batman, Scarlet Witch could hold her own againts Green Lantern, The Vision would be able to deal with Martian Manhunter, and Giant Man is capable of reaching sizes where he would be a formidable oponent for Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The Flash, however, trumps Quicksilver in terms of speed, and could conceivably disable the other Avengers at high speed, or at least mess with them.


Also, you have to consider tactics. Thor and Scarlet Witch would most likely pool their powers to teleport both groups to some secluded location, possible a place where the Avengers would have the upper hand. Also, Martian Manhunter would have the League in a telepathic link, giving them a greater stratigic advantage. Also, Vision (and martian Manhunter, who has similar powers) could preform a "Superman Smasher", as I call it. Basically, he would fly into the upper atmosphere, increase his body's density to maximum (where he weighs roughly 90 tons), and then free falls, slamming into his desired target (most likely the oposition's heavyest hitter), slamming into him or her at terminal velocity. If either Vision or Martian Manhunter did this, they could definately take out the bigger players like Thor and Superman quite early in the game.


Really, depending on how well they stratigise, it could go either way.

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Well, I'm assuming we're going for the most popular/iconic line ups. Those being:



Justice League:

Superman
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Batman
Aquaman
The Flash


Avengers:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Giant Man
Wasp
Vision


Now, the major clicnher in this fight would really be The Flash. Thor, while not having Superman's reflexes/reaction time, has a great deal more range, seeing as how he can conjur up a pretty nasty storm, ao thoaw two are pretty evenly matched. Captain America would defeat Batman, Scarlet Witch could hold her own againts Green Lantern, The Vision would be able to deal with Martian Manhunter, and Giant Man is capable of reaching sizes where he would be a formidable oponent for Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The Flash, however, trumps Quicksilver in terms of speed, and could conceivably disable the other Avengers at high speed, or at least mess with them.


Also, you have to consider tactics. Thor and Scarlet Witch would most likely pool their powers to teleport both groups to some secluded location, possible a place where the Avengers would have the upper hand. Also, Martian Manhunter would have the League in a telepathic link, giving them a greater stratigic advantage. Also, Vision (and martian Manhunter, who has similar powers) could preform a "Superman Smasher", as I call it. Basically, he would fly into the upper atmosphere, increase his body's density to maximum (where he weighs roughly 90 tons), and then free falls, slamming into his desired target (most likely the oposition's heavyest hitter), slamming into him or her at terminal velocity. If either Vision or Martian Manhunter did this, they could definately take out the bigger players like Thor and Superman quite early in the game.


Really, depending on how well they stratigise, it could go either way.
I think the deciding factors are brains, speed and communication.
Flash and the heavy hitters like Superman, WW and MM could easily keep alot of the Avengers busy long enough for Batman to analyze their opponents and come up with a plan to take them out. Then MM delivers the plan to everyone telepathically. Both of them are protected by GL, who could probably also join in the fight at the same time.
The telepathic link gives the JLA a big advantage since they don't have to give orders in the open and Flash's speed is another big advantage. Therefore I think the JLA takes it.


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I doubt that in a battle situation, Batman would be calmly "analyzing their oponents." In a fight like that, he'd be forced to make stuff up on the fly. And also, remember, The Avengers are not idiots, and they are capable of tactical thinking themselves (hell, Cap is probably just as smart as Batman is). Wanda and Thor, pooling theri powers, could scatter the League apart. And, like I said, The Vision would atempt to take out their heavy hitters by doing what I described. It could easily go either way.

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I doubt that in a battle situation, Batman would be calmly "analyzing their oponents." In a fight like that, he'd be forced to make stuff up on the fly. And also, remember, The Avengers are not idiots, and they are capable of tactical thinking themselves (hell, Cap is probably just as smart as Batman is). Wanda and Thor, pooling theri powers, could scatter the League apart. And, like I said, The Vision would atempt to take out their heavy hitters by doing what I described. It could easily go either way.
Batman would be protected by Green Lantern while planning, but even if he doesn't have much time he's a pretty good improviser.

But like I said it all depends on who reacts first and gets a tactic ready. I think JLA has the advantage there because of the telepatich link and GL can shield everyone. Flash's speed is also a big advantage since he can take Capt America out of the fight pretty fast.

In short it could go either way, but I think the JLA has the advantage.

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I doubt that in a battle situation, Batman would be calmly "analyzing their oponents." In a fight like that, he'd be forced to make stuff up on the fly. And also, remember, The Avengers are not idiots, and they are capable of tactical thinking themselves (hell, Cap is probably just as smart as Batman is). Wanda and Thor, pooling theri powers, could scatter the League apart. And, like I said, The Vision would atempt to take out their heavy hitters by doing what I described. It could easily go either way.
I think everyone is ignoring how fast Superman is. Why, in heaven's name, would Superman sit still for the Vision to fall on him, and a fraction of a second warning would be enough time for him not to be there (and remember - he can hear the massive object falling - no way he could be surprised). That weapon could be turned against the Vision very easily. The vision starts his fall, Superman flies above him, and barrels down at full speed to connect as the vision hits the (now vacant) ground. Goodbye android. Of course, the Vision is smart enought to know this could happen so probably wouldn't even attempt it.

Overall, the telepathic link would probably turn the tide

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I doubt that in a battle situation, Batman would be calmly "analyzing their oponents." In a fight like that, he'd be forced to make stuff up on the fly. And also, remember, The Avengers are not idiots, and they are capable of tactical thinking themselves (hell, Cap is probably just as smart as Batman is). Wanda and Thor, pooling theri powers, could scatter the League apart. And, like I said, The Vision would atempt to take out their heavy hitters by doing what I described. It could easily go either way.
Cap'n is slightly dumber than batman

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Old 04-16-2006, 09:35 AM   #9
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LOL

I think its hilarious when someone says the JLA beat the avengers because of Batman

Not because of the speed advantge, not because of the Flash, Supes or J'onn, or even GL and WW but BATMAN??

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I love Batman, but Cap would kick his ass. The League's main advantage is The Flash. He would be the main deciding factor.

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I kow of a marvel team worhty of taking on the JLA

Okay they only fought together for like one issue but still...

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This is the "team" that stormed Asgard

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Dude, against such a team, the League would get savagely anally raped so hard it's not even funny. Thanos alone would pose an ample threat to the entire group.

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I kow of a marvel team worhty of taking on the JLA

Okay they only fought together for like one issue but still...

Silver Surfer
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Thanos and the infinity watch

This is the "team" that stormed Asgard
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I find it interesting that everyone seems to think that Caps would take Bats so easily as he's x2 speed, strength, etc.
If we're talking straight hand to hand, then yeh, Caps probably takes it.
But seriously, since when has Bats been the type to stand there and go toe to toe with suped up enemies? He has a huge array of tricks up his sleeve for dealing with guys that are above the normal strength of humans.
And what you CAN guarantee is that Caps hasn't seen hardly any of the tricks that Bats would throw his way.

A round shield and a stiff punch isn't going to make Bats shake at all. lol..

As for the whole match up: JLA all the way. I read the Avengers for years, but against the JLA (hell, even Supes, Flash & Bats alone) Cap and crew would get all smacked to doody. And if Supes is pissed for some reason (Thor macked on Lois), and is moving at full speed with eyes blazing, forget about it.

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I find it interesting that everyone seems to think that Caps would take Bats so easily as he's x2 speed, strength, etc.
If we're talking straight hand to hand, then yeh, Caps probably takes it.
But seriously, since when has Bats been the type to stand there and go toe to toe with suped up enemies? He has a huge array of tricks up his sleeve for dealing with guys that are above the normal strength of humans.
And what you CAN guarantee is that Caps hasn't seen hardly any of the tricks that Bats would throw his way.

A round shield and a stiff punch isn't going to make Bats shake at all. lol..
Yeah. But Cap isn't retarded, either. He's got just as muich experiance as Batman, and is probably just as smart, if not moreso.

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As for the whole match up: JLA all the way. I read the Avengers for years, but against the JLA (hell, even Supes, Flash & Bats alone) Cap and crew would get all smacked to doody. And if Supes is pissed for some reason (Thor macked on Lois), and is moving at full speed with eyes blazing, forget about it.

Okay. If it were Superman, Batman, and The Flash by themselves, Batman would be taken wout pretty quick. Superman wouldn't make much a difference, because he'd simply be overpowered by the rest. The only advantage that group would have is The Flash, because his speed dwarfs that of everyone in The Avengers. That's it.

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Just re-read rosters. I'd say you'd have to go with this lineup for a decent fight:



Partial JLA:

Superman

Green Lantern

Martian Manhunter

Wonder Woman

Batman

The Flash



Avengers:

Captain America

Thor

Iron Man

Scarlet Witch

Quicksilver

Giant Man

Wasp

Vision

ADD Fantastic Four as cannon fodder

ADD core X-Men as distraction (Without Phoenix this is still a bloodbath. With Phoenix JLA is hurting).





Then you'd have a decent fight.

But bring along Supergirl or Captain Atom, game seriously over.

If you had the FF and X-Men helping, the League would get destroyed. Adding tmem isn't necesairy to make it a decent fight.

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Yeah. But Cap isn't retarded, either. He's got just as muich experiance as Batman, and is probably just as smart, if not moreso.
Didn't say he was, not sure how the statement is applicable. Batman has hundreds of actual weapons and distractions to choose from.


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Okay. If it were Superman, Batman, and The Flash by themselves, Batman would be taken wout pretty quick. Superman wouldn't make much a difference, because he'd simply be overpowered by the rest. The only advantage that group would have is The Flash, because his speed dwarfs that of everyone in The Avengers. That's it.
Superman is almost as fast as the Flash and WAY faster than Quicksilver or anyone else in the Avengers, FF4 or X-Men.
Overpower Supes, lol, that's a good one. You'd think they'd have done that with the Hulk years ago... but no, the Avengers hired out Spiderman to take on the Hulk when it came down to it.

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If you had the FF and X-Men helping, the League would get destroyed. Adding tmem isn't necesairy to make it a decent fight.
Naw, don't buy it. If phoenix is there then they have a shot. Without, it's just more cannon fodder. FF4... seriously, they have trouble handling water tube traps that Dr. Doom throws at them.

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Someone needs to re-read Superman/Batman to see how they handle large groups lol.
I have read Superman/Batman. And I know that when the fight between them and the president's group was badly written. Superman should not have been able to dispatch with Green Lantern that easily.

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Didn't say he was, not sure how the statement is applicable. Batman has hundreds of actual weapons and distractions to choose from.
No he doesn't. Not on him, anyway. His belt only has twelve pouches.

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Superman is almost as fast as the Flash and WAY faster than Quicksilver or anyone else in the Avengers, FF4 or X-Men.
Overpower Supes, lol, that's a good one. You'd think they'd have done that with the Hulk years ago... but no, the Avengers hired out Spiderman to take on the Hulk when it came down to it.
1) Superman is not almost as fast as The Flash. At his fastest speed, Superman would still look like a statue to The Flash moving at his fastest speed.

2) The Avengers didn't hire out Spider-Man. They were considering him for membership, and a test of his skills was to see how well he would fare against The Hulk.

3) Thor is on The Hulk's level in terms of strength, and has more than a few other abilities that give him an advantage.

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Naw, don't buy it. If phoenix is there then they have a shot. Without, it's just more cannon fodder. FF4... seriously, they have trouble handling water tube traps that Dr. Doom throws at them.
And I'm sure the League would have trouble with Dr. Doom aswell. If the Pheonix is there, then the League would definately get owned. She's much more powerful than the League.

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Well, I guess I can't argue with a guy who's posted over 20,000 times!!!
Lol man.

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Just re-read rosters. I'd say you'd have to go with this lineup for a decent fight:

Partial JLA:
Superman
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Batman
The Flash

Avengers:
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Giant Man
Wasp
Vision
ADD Fantastic Four as cannon fodder
ADD core X-Men as distraction (Without Phoenix this is still a bloodbath. With Phoenix JLA is hurting).


Then you'd have a decent fight.
But bring along Supergirl or Captain Atom, game seriously over.

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Just re-read rosters. I'd say you'd have to go with this lineup for a decent fight:

Partial JLA:
Superman
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Batman
The Flash

Avengers:
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Giant Man
Wasp
Vision
ADD Fantastic Four as cannon fodder
ADD core X-Men as distraction (Without Phoenix this is still a bloodbath. With Phoenix JLA is hurting).


Then you'd have a decent fight.
But bring along Supergirl or Captain Atom, game seriously over.
Let the League add Dr. Fate and / or Zatanna as well. The League wouldn't be hurting at all.

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Someone needs to re-read Superman/Batman to see how they handle large groups lol.

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Does anybody have the picture of Superman catching Thor's hammer? If so, can ya post it?

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I don't have that one, but I've got one of Supes carrying Thor's hammer and Cap's shield if you're interested.

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I don't have that one, but I've got one of Supes carrying Thor's hammer and Cap's shield if you're interested.
cool, post it or send it to LarryFilmmaker@aol.com and THANKS. I like both Marvel and DC... but my fav is Supes.

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I was going to post a separate Thor vs Superman article but as the question has been posed by several others, I think I might as well put it here. Superman, for all of his power is basically a MAN(from an alien planet to boot) whereas Thor, of course is a deity( The Hulk of course is stronger than even The Asgardian Avenger, but the Hulk is not a god), and by his own admission a deity's power(even a pagan one's) has to be stronger than any man's-even a "Super"-man's!

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