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Old 07-11-2018, 12:24 AM   #51
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Couldn't they easily chalk it up to a byproduct of being part of the snap? When reversing, some people come out of it with "powers." Have the snap, instead of nuclear radiation, be the catalyst for X-Men.

It even fits when talking about the mind stone creating Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Some start to understand their powers more quickly (Xavier, Magneto, etc) others are younger and need some schooling.

It allows the events of Infinity War to really live on and push the narrative of Phase IV.
They'd not need too though; if undoing Thanos' they'd simply change their present (from the time of the snap). I can't think for one second that the MCU would throw in X-Men without their coming of age stories. They're not suddenly going to have a wheelchair-bound man become psychic. They're going to want to include their history; Eric losing his parents for example - that had o be a big contributor to who he is.

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They'd not need too though; if undoing Thanos' they'd simply change their present (from the time of the snap). I can't think for one second that the MCU would throw in X-Men without their coming of age stories. They're not suddenly going to have a wheelchair-bound man become psychic. They're going to want to include their history; Eric losing his parents for example - that had o be a big contributor to who he is.





that and they already have the celetials in place they are likely going to put in the history of mutants pre xavier to set thing's of as I was saying.

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Origins: The First Host

For the full presentation of this event, please consult the First Host page.
About one million years ago,[1][2] the "evolutionary borderline between apes and humans" emerged:[3] Homo erectus.[4] Two of that kind were given a paradise-like haven by the time-travelling godlike entity Sise-Neg, resulting in the two spawning a tribe over the centuries known as the Wanderers which had their leader and its mate return each year (in the course of the tribe's migration) to the Garden.[3]
One year, they encountered the Tribe of Set, who asked the two to join them by killing their own tribe and aid Set's followers in approaching the Celestials. The ape-men then recognized what Evil was and rejected it, thereby revealing the Tribe of Set as the Serpent-Men. The Wanderers' tribe drove them out of the Garden, and at the end of the battle, the tribe then witnessed the arrival of the Celestials,[3] ten of them, as part of the First Host,[5] under the kind surveillance of Gaea.[3]
Gaea encouraged the Wanderers to go towards the Space Gods,[3] and Gammenon the Gatherer[5] collected Man-Ape of the Wanderers[3] whom he sent to Ziran the Tester who mutated them to have an unstable genome, creating the Deviants (Homo descendus),[6] a race with various mutations, who were then released and went hiding in the caves.With other subjects, Nezarr the Calculator then created the Eternals (Homo immortalis),[1] hairless, upright tall beings able to tap into the cosmic power. They were themselves released, flying out of the Celestials' laboratory-ship. Finally, Oneg the Prober created a latent gene[5] (or "latent genes",[3] "mutant genes")[4] for the expansion of human potential.[5] The Serpent-Men tried to usurp the Wanderers' place but were driven out by Arishem the Judge.[3]
After weeks of experiments, the last subjects of Oneg were released and the Celestials left the planet.[5]
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During their First Host on Earth, one million years ago,[1] the Celestials collected the Wanderers,[2] a tribe of Homo erectus.[3] Gammenon the Gatherer collected the ape-men and send them to Ziran the Tester who mutated them to have an unstable genome, creating the Deviants[4] (Homo descendus),[5] a race with various mutations, who were then released and went hiding in the caves. With other subjects, Nezarr the Calculator then created the Eternals[4] (Homo immortalis),[1] hairless, upright tall beings able to tap into the cosmic power. They were themselves released, flying out of the Celestials' laboratory-ship. Finally, Oneg the Prober created a latent gene for the expansion of human potential and those modified yet apparently unchanged ape-men were released.[4]
The potential for superhuman powers was only latent:[6] That dormant "DNA complex"[7]/"mutant genes" implanted in Homo erectus
.[3]
That potential was transferred to Homo antecessor,[8] then to Homo neanderthalensis, both species experimented on by Kree in order to create the Inhumans (Inhomo supremis).[9]
It later came to fruition into the form of Homo superior, the mutants.[10]
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:19 AM   #53
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Oh CBr just put this up so I'm guess this might be why stlblues84 said what he or she said evry out side of marvel studio's that doesn't know about the history of marvel is trying fid a way to bring the X-men & mutant out side of them in when there is one and radition isn't the cause the gene for powers existed already.


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WARNING: The following article contains spoilers for Marvel’s Ant-Man and The Wasp, in theaters now.


The ending of Ant-Man and The Wasp seems like it might have been designed to open up a doorway for the X-Men to be integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, namely through the use of the quantum realm and its ability to cause mutations.
The entire future of the MCU is in a state of unrest as we wait to learn whether the Disney purchase of Fox’s movie business (including the license to produce X-Men and Fantastic Four movies) will go through, a purchase which will open up the MCU to a whole pile of new characters. However, an interesting problem has always been, how do you work in characters like the X-Men into a world that does not have mutants?

RELATED: Ant-Man and The Wasp Teases MCU’s Future With the Young Avengers



Not only are there no mutants in the MCU, so far, past films have gone out of their way to make sure that no one could possibly be seen as a mutant, like when we learned that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver gained their powers in Avengers: Age of Ultron through being experimented on with Scepter that Loki used in the first Avengers film (a Scepter that we learned contained the Mind Stone).




Meanwhile, over on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., they used the Inhumans and the Terrigan Mists to serve as fill-ins for the mutant experience, as the Terrigen Mists were unleashed on Earth and upon exposure to the mists, humans with Inhuman ancestry (whether they knew they had Inhuman ancestors or not) were transformed into Inhumans, often mutating them into grotesque beings in the process, like what happened to Melinda May’s ex-husband, Andrew Garner.


Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. began to treat Inhumans just like how mutants were treated in Marvel’s comic book stories of the past. They were following a blueprint that Marvel Comics opened up with their Inhumanity event back in 2013, where the same thing that happened on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. happened in the Marvel Comics Universe. New Inhumans (or NuHumans) began to pop up all over the globe, just like mutants. Even some current Marvel characters who believed that they were mutants learned that they were actually Inhumans.


However, if the MCU could use actual mutants, it is likely that they would prefer to use them than Inhumans. The problem, though, is how do you suddenly introduce an influx of mutants into your universe? The answer, it seems, might lie within the Quantum Realm.
Quantum Mutations!



When Hank Pym successfully rescues his wife, Janet Van Dyne, after she spent over three decades lost within the Quantum Realm, she explains to Hank, “This place changes you in ways you can’t imagine.” She then tells him that the Quantum Realm, “It changes you. Adaptation is part of it, but it’s more…evolution.” Janet now has a sort of quantum telepathy that allowed her to connect to Scott Lang and also to sense the pain that Ghost was feeling. She also has the ability to heal Ghost by seemingly transferring some quantum energy to stabilize the Ghost.




It is important to note that Hank and Scott also went into the Quantum Realm and neither of them came out with new powers (Scott’s telepathy seemed to be connected specifically to Janet’s telepathy and not something of his own), so this sets up the idea that only certain people are affected by the Quantum Realm. So this could then be used as a way to explain how there are suddenly a bunch of mutants on Earth where there used to be none. Only certain people would be affected and this could be explained by some sort of “X-Gene” that makes them susceptible to quantum energy, so they would not even really need to alter the basic set-up of the origin for mutant power all that much. Already, in the comics, it was nuclear radiation that caused these mutations. Saying it is quantum energy is not a big change.




RELATED: Ant-Man and The Wasp May Introduce a Major Fantastic Four Concept to the MCU
Essentially, some sort of Quantum Realm breach could affect the Earth and then Professor X and the rest of the X-Men could form that way. The major downside of that plan, of course, is that all the mutants would be gaining their powers at the same time and that would take away the aspect of the X-Men where Xavier and his teaching staff teach young mutants how to deal with their powers. That doesn’t work if they only got their powers at the same time as anyone else.




However, it is possible that they could argue that Quantum Realm energy has been leaking from the Quantum Realm ever since Janet first entered it thirty years ago. So perhaps there are a handful of mutants already out there, like Professor X and some others, and they have been working in secret. Now, though, when something happens to the Quantum Realm in a future film, then the number of mutants would go up exponentially and suddenly the whole world would be aware of the existence of mutants and there would be a need for Xavier and his team to get involved.




Of course, this is all only a possibility. We don’t know if the Fox/Disney deal will even close, let alone how they will work mutants into the MCU. They could just as easily go in another route, but this film definitely was made with the knowledge that a possible Disney/Fox deal was in the works, so it is hard to believe that they did not at least put some thought into how that line would be interpreted by the fans. Whether it actually is used as an explanation for mutants within the MCU or not, it remains an intriguing possibility for the future of the MCU in the years following Avengers 4, years that remain clouded in mystery at the moment.




In theaters now, director Peyton Reed’s Ant-Man and The Wasp stars Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Bobby Cannavale, Michael Peña, Tip “T.I.” Harris, Judy Greer, David Dastmalchian, Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer, Laurence Fishburne, Hannah John-Kamen, Randall Park and Walton Goggins.




Source: https://www.cbr.com/ant-man-wasp-x-m...ampaign=CBR-TW





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Old 07-11-2018, 05:08 PM   #54
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They'd not need too though; if undoing Thanos' they'd simply change their present (from the time of the snap). I can't think for one second that the MCU would throw in X-Men without their coming of age stories. They're not suddenly going to have a wheelchair-bound man become psychic. They're going to want to include their history; Eric losing his parents for example - that had o be a big contributor to who he is.
Fair enough, but they're also going to likely start needing to update their backstories some regardless. The Holocaust ends in 1945. Even if you update him from being born in the late 20s to being born in the late 30s, he's still going to be in his 80s in a 2020 released movie.

If you're going to go origin story, it might be bold of the MCU to either make him part of the Cambodian Genocide in the mid-70s and find a way to tie in Black Panther or even make him even younger and have him be a Syrian refugee.

Another twist could be that there were always mutants, but they operated in secret until Thanos. Then, not only does the snap create more mutants, but the select few that have been in hiding realize they can no longer be in hiding.

The greater point is that there's always a way to explain it and write it, as long as it's given thought.

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