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Old 03-26-2018, 10:38 AM   #501
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Same here.

Your sig is silly. The people that think Mortal would've been good have actually read the script. They don't just think it would've been good just because Justice League 2017 was bad. I don't think anyone is saying that. People have read the script and made up their own minds about it. It's a better story than the movie we got on every level. I think the cast was even better. The only good performance in Justice League was Gadot. I think the casting was spot on for Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. It's frickin' George Miller. I think we need to have more faith in what that movie would've been.

Also, the final costume for Batman hasn't even been revealed, so we can't really make judgments on that at this point. The other costumes look pretty awesome from the blurry photo that was leaked.

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Old 03-26-2018, 10:59 AM   #502
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It's a shame Anton Yelchin is not with us anymore. I would've loved to see his take on the Flash or at least hear his input on JLM.

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Old 03-26-2018, 11:04 AM   #503
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Your sig is silly. The people that think Mortal would've been good have actually read the script. They don't just think it would've been good just because Justice League 2017 was bad. I don't think anyone is saying that. People have read the script and made up their own minds about it. It's a better story than the movie we got on every level. I think the cast was even better. The only good performance in Justice League was Gadot. I think the casting was spot on for Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. It's frickin' George Miller. I think we need to have more faith in what that movie would've been.

Also, the final costume for Batman hasn't even been revealed, so we can't really make judgments on that at this point. The other costumes look pretty awesome from the blurry photo that was leaked.
Yeah, and what about the casting of Superman, Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord? A block of wood, an "actress" with barely any experience and a guy who can't play anything but a high strung nerd? Also, Hammer might be a good actor but I don't think he was "spot on" for Batman. This cast reeked of studio executives trying to cram a bunch of young teeny bopper types into multiple roles to make a buttload of cash. Now, not all of them were studio choices, since Miller got Hugh Keays-Byrne was in there and Common is a good actor. But a number of pivotal roles went to people that I simply don't believe could have pulled them off.

Additionally, "it's George Miller" doesn't convince me when he's the guy who said that Superman is boring and had no problem casting a terrible actor in the role who doesn't even look the part. Hell, as bad as Routh was in Superman Returns, he at least resembled Superman to some degree. Everything about this movie--and I remember this distinctly because I followed the news as it was happening back then--just felt like another case of WB trying to slap something together quickly and cash in. I'm just glad Chris Nolan had enough clout at that point to put the kibosh on the whole thing.

And yeah, it probably would have been better than JL. Big whoop. I'd also rather get punched in the face than curbstomped but I'd prefer to have neither one happened to me.

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Old 03-26-2018, 11:26 AM   #504
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Your sig is silly. The people that think Mortal would've been good have actually read the script. They don't just think it would've been good just because Justice League 2017 was bad. I don't think anyone is saying that. People have read the script and made up their own minds about it. It's a better story than the movie we got on every level. I think the cast was even better. The only good performance in Justice League was Gadot. I think the casting was spot on for Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. It's frickin' George Miller. I think we need to have more faith in what that movie would've been.

Also, the final costume for Batman hasn't even been revealed, so we can't really make judgments on that at this point. The other costumes look pretty awesome from the blurry photo that was leaked.
While I don’t agree 100% with everything you said I do agree that those of us who thinks it would have been good made our minds up from what we know and the script we read. For me personally too I read this script years ago, not post JL.

I also agree on the costumes mostly been awesome. I actually like what they were doing with Superman’s too. A change from the traditional but still in keeping.

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Old 03-26-2018, 12:14 PM   #505
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Yeah, and what about the casting of Superman, Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord? A block of wood, an "actress" with barely any experience and a guy who can't play anything but a high strung nerd? Also, Hammer might be a good actor but I don't think he was "spot on" for Batman. This cast reeked of studio executives trying to cram a bunch of young teeny bopper types into multiple roles to make a buttload of cash. Now, not all of them were studio choices, since Miller got Hugh Keays-Byrne was in there and Common is a good actor. But a number of pivotal roles went to people that I simply don't believe could have pulled them off.

Additionally, "it's George Miller" doesn't convince me when he's the guy who said that Superman is boring and had no problem casting a terrible actor in the role who doesn't even look the part. Hell, as bad as Routh was in Superman Returns, he at least resembled Superman to some degree. Everything about this movie--and I remember this distinctly because I followed the news as it was happening back then--just felt like another case of WB trying to slap something together quickly and cash in. I'm just glad Chris Nolan had enough clout at that point to put the kibosh on the whole thing.

And yeah, it probably would have been better than JL. Big whoop. I'd also rather get punched in the face than curbstomped but I'd prefer to have neither one happened to me.
Damn we don't agree at all. I think Cavill is a block of wood, and the worst Superman of the modern era. I rank Routh, Welling, and Hoechlin far above Cavill.

All you have to criticize Mortal about is the casting. And that's honestly a huge question mark. We have no idea how any of them would've done. I trust Miller's judgment on the casting. Megan Gale looked dead on. Gadot hardly had any experience either mind you. I wasn't convinced after Fast and Furious, but she killed it!

Basically, your sig is just silly. No one thinks that Mortal would’ve been good just because Justice League was bad. I'm saying is people that think Mortal would've been good have read and enjoyed the script. It would've been a genuinely good movie I think.

Baruchel was a big question mark, but is it really any different from casting Kristen Wiig as Cheetah? No it's not. I stand by Miller, he saw something in this cast, I'm willing to give the director of Fury Road the benefit of the doubt.

Also, Nolan didn't cancel the movie. It was the writer's strike.


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Old 03-26-2018, 12:25 PM   #506
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Flash's death scene really is beautiful. It's probably as inspired as the writers ever got. He realizes in the final battle that he needs to sacrifice himself, enters the Speed Force, uses the space between two seconds to visit Iris, who's at home watching the fight in the news, and there he says his goodbyes.

"... I realized that I CAN save the whole world. So that's what I'm gonna do. Because you're in it."

Then on his way out, watching the sunset.

"My God. What a beautiful world."

Don't care if you've read it before, it was worth the type. The script is an ok blueprint while still really flawed overall (Superman is a zero character in it, dialogue is often cringey, Talia is stupid)... but, ACH! So good.

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Yeah, and what about the casting of Superman, Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord? A block of wood, an "actress" with barely any experience and a guy who can't play anything but a high strung nerd?

Also, Hammer might be a good actor but I don't think he was "spot on" for Batman.
Because...

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"Teeny bopper"? Which of the actors were preteens or very young teenagers?

George Miller said that he cast young actors so they could grow into their roles over several films.

They auditioned a lot of up and coming young actors and actresses, but I don't believe they were "teeny boppers". Most of the people up for roles by and large were not household names or especially popular at the time.

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Now, not all of them were studio choices, since Miller got Hugh Keays-Byrne was in there and Common is a good actor. But a number of pivotal roles went to people that I simply don't believe could have pulled them off.
At some point in the process you have to give the casting people credit for their own casting. They knew who they were casting and what they could do. It's fine to be skeptical, but to outright say "They couldn't have handled the role they were cast in"...we simply don't know that.

I seriously doubt WB would have trusted a $220-$300 million movie and franchise to people who couldn't effectively portray the parts they're cast in. Nor do I believe George Miller would have done this.

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Additionally, "it's George Miller" doesn't convince me when he's the guy who said that Superman is boring and had no problem casting a terrible actor in the role who doesn't even look the part.
George Miller didn't write the script, so why does it matter whether he thinks Superman as a character is boring?

Again, the casting department knows what the actors could do in the roles...we don't.

Besides that, how doesn't Cotrona look the part, exactly? He's chisled and has the jawline. He's not as tall as Superman traditionally is, but the man is built, and sounds a lot like the character as he's generally portrayed if you listen to interviews or performances.

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Hell, as bad as Routh was in Superman Returns, he at least resembled Superman to some degree.
DJ Cotrona very much resembles Superman to "some degree".

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Everything about this movie--and I remember this distinctly because I followed the news as it was happening back then--just felt like another case of WB trying to slap something together quickly and cash in.
The project was fast tracked, but there would have been a two year period in between the completion of the script and the film's release, which is similar to the script and production timeframe of several superhero films, notably BATMAN BEGINS.

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I'm just glad Chris Nolan had enough clout at that point to put the kibosh on the whole thing.
Nolan didn't put the kibosh on it...he was rumored to have expressed concerns about how it intersected with his franchise, but the writer's strike, and more importantly, the tax break situation in Australia put the kibosh on this film. The success of Dark Knight didn't hurt matters, but it was not as simple as Nolan simply putting an end to this project.

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Fine, whatever. You guys can have this one. If you want to keep picking apart blurry concept art and bemoaning a movie that was never made for another 10 years, be my guests.

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Fine, whatever. You guys can have this one. If you want to keep picking apart blurry concept art and bemoaning a movie that was never made for another 10 years, be my guests.
We have so much more than that. We have an entire script to base our opinions around. And the pics will keep coming I'm sure, and we'll have a better idea of what the movie would have looked like.

I love discussing failed comic book movies. I think it's interesting. I hope the script for Batman Unchained/Triumphant is eventually released

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I’m not familiar with that one. What was it about?

Anyway, yeah, maybe this might have been good. I haven’t read the script, though I’ve read things about it and while I didn’t like what I read, I’m sure it would have at least been better than the JL movie we did get.

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Damn we don't agree at all. I think Cavill is a block of wood, and the worst Superman of the modern era. I rank Routh, Welling, and Hoechlin far above Cavill.

All you have to criticize Mortal about is the casting. And that's honestly a huge question mark. We have no idea how any of them would've done. I trust Miller's judgment on the casting. Megan Gale looked dead on. Gadot hardly had any experience either mind you. I wasn't convinced after Fast and Furious, but she killed it!

Basically, your sig is just silly. No one thinks that Mortal would’ve been good just because Justice League was bad. I'm saying is people that think Mortal would've been good have read and enjoyed the script. It would've been a genuinely good movie I think.

Baruchel was a big question mark, but is it really any different from casting Kristen Wiig as Cheetah? No it's not. I stand by Miller, he saw something in this cast, I'm willing to give the director of Fury Road the benefit of the doubt.

Also, Nolan didn't cancel the movie. It was the writer's strike.
I completely disagree on Cavill but that's neother he nor there. I know D J Cotrona hasn't exactly broken out since but who knows. Superman may have been a great out role for him. As far as looks go I think he definitely looks like Superman.



After seeing Baruchel in some other roles I think he would have done well with this too.

It wasn't just the writers strike, it was the fact they lost a huge amount of defunding from the Aussie government due to there not been enough jobs created for Austrailians on the picture. It's possible that had that issue not been there the film may have gone ahead.

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A block of wood, an "actress" with barely any experience and a guy who can't play anything but a high strung nerd?
LOL. You pretty much described Cavill, Gadot and Eisenberg to a tee, with that description.

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LOL. You pretty much described Cavill, Gadot and Eisenberg to a tee, with that description.
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