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Old 11-11-2012, 06:31 PM   #1
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What changes would you do to the trilogy? For me I would have got rid of Rachel as a love interest and added Miranda Tate/Talia as the love interest late into Begins or early on in TDK. This would've made the Talia reveal a lot more impactful.

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Old 11-11-2012, 11:32 PM   #2
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Nolan's Batman has always been a particularly talkative one. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it's not really what I prefer. I prefer Batman as a man of few words. On the other hand, scientific jargon is also a classic Batman trait so I can't really say I'd change that.

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Nolan's Batman has always been a particularly talkative one. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it's not really what I prefer. I prefer Batman as a man of few words. On the other hand, scientific jargon is also a classic Batman trait so I can't really say I'd change that.
I think Batman was at his most talkative in TDK. From what I remember, his speeches in TDKR were pretty brief and to the point.

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Old 11-12-2012, 01:06 AM   #5
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With another different version of batman always coming, when does it stop being batman? Is my batman more valid then say my grandads batman because times have changed along with some parts of the chracter. Is there ever a wrong version, i mean a version could have him in a pink suit ( i know brave and the bold, which i love) but if you give a reason for him to use that suit/action is it valid. Does it have to be bruce wayne? Or is it what the idea of batman stand for?

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Batman's voice.

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None. I'm not the writer nor the director.

Maybe one day i'll write a fan-fic and show Warner that they should have hired me instead of Nolan

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It'd be like playing a game of "Who'd you rather" and saying "I'm celibate".

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I would have just kept it the way it is in BB, honestly. It's the perfect balance in that movie.

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Batman's voice.
I think he should have dropped his Batman voice when he was around Bane PERIOD. He knew who he was, so I'm not sure as to why he chose to keep grumbling.

That and as much as I love TDKR, I think it would have been more successful if the film was broken into two parts. Gave more focus to how Gotham ITSELF was suffering under Bane's reign. You didn't receive the same hindsight like you did in BB and TDK, so the idea of the real danger wasn't present in comparison.

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Never seemed that talkative to me. He kept it on the level and knew when to speak.

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Probably be a very unpopular post, but I will post anyway as I like this idea. I would have had no 8 year gap and instead as the dark knight ends and he is being pursued by the whole GCP, have Bane ambush him at this point still injured and exhausted from The Joker and Two Face encounters, we get the sewer fight and the defeat of Batman. And as Gotham is still shocked and confused by all the events of TDK, Bane could capitalise with his plan. I know people do like the 8 year gap, but just simply my opinion.

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I foresee this thread going to hell very quickly.

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-No love interest until Talia/Selina
-Replace Rachel with Harvey as a friend in BB, thus making Harvey's turn more dramatic
-Full on Scarecrow
-More Bruce as a philanthropist
-No 8 year break
-Emergence of freaks after Joker, not a peaceful period
-Full on batcave
-Use Bullock and Montoya instead of Stephens and Ramirez
-Keep the Begins voice throughout
-More aerobatics included within fighting styles
-No John Blake, at least not as a successor

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Old 11-12-2012, 04:03 PM   #18
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Batman Begins:

- Develop Jonathan Crane a bit more such as exploring his own fear with bats since FEAR was such a major theme for BB.

- Give us an actual fight sequence between Zsaz and Batman.

The Dark Knight:

- Make Rachel Dawes pregnant which would add even more of an impact when Harvey Dent told Gordon to meet him where his family died. Knowing that Dent was indeed having a family would make his turn into Two-Face all the more emotional.

- Give detail on who exactly are the five people that Two-Face killed.

- Keep the bat sonar up and running.

The Dark Knight Rises:

- Bring back Coleman Reese as an ally for Bruce Wayne.

- Keep the theme of using the news as a circuit to give the audience the views of Gotham City, such as when Batman returned and when Batman vanished again. Or at least something close to how The Dark Knight Returns portrays the news, so something maybe a little different than how TDK did it.

- Change John Daggett's name to Roland Daggett.

- Take away all signs that would point to Miranda Tate being a love interest and take away her sex scene with Bruce Wayne. Keep them as working professionals who maybe become friends. There are other ways for Talia to get into Bruce's heart than to get in his pants.

- Give the Mayor more scenes, such as antagonizing Gordon on capturing Batman after his return and also hint on him wanting to fire Gordon in the spring before his death.

- Give one mention to Joker, such as him escaping Arkham Asylum or having escaped Arkham Asylum during the last eight years. Perhaps Bruce giving Blake some insight on Joker's whereabouts after he takes up the mantle to become the new Batman.

- Have a scene of Bruce talking to his parents' grave before he finally returns as Batman.

- Kill off Jen at the end to lose all ties with Selina in staying in Gotham City.

- Have Gordon actually retire from the GCPD at the end.

- Get rid of the entire character of Deputy Commissioner Foley.

General over all three films:

- Keep Batman's fighting style that he had in Batman Begins.

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For me,

Develop Talia,and have her try to seduce Bruce to return to the LoS.

Two-Face didn't die and is secretly in arkham,Bane reveals this

Bruce trains Robin to become a legit crimefighter

Bruce doesn't retire at the end

Batman doesnt kill the truck driver

Catwoman doesn't kill period

That would be my perfect film,but I don't hate the film as is.

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After watching the trilogy all on Blu-ray last night and during today, here is my update....

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- Develop Jonathan Crane a bit more such as exploring his own fear with bats since FEAR was such a major theme for BB.(I rather enjoy the sleazy and smarmy Dr. Crane throughout Nolan's trilogy, so I can look past the idea of his fear of bats not being explored)

- Give us an actual fight sequence between Zsaz and Batman.(Kinda still feel this way, although I understand Zsaz was only meant to be some kind of easter egg for Batman fans so a fight that's not even against a minor villain wouldn't make much sense with the bigger picture of things)

The Dark Knight:

- Make Rachel Dawes pregnant which would add even more of an impact when Harvey Dent told Gordon to meet him where his family died. Knowing that Dent was indeed having a family would make his turn into Two-Face all the more emotional.

- Give detail on who exactly are the five people that Two-Face killed.(Rather ambiguous, it may be best to have just kept this open for the audience to think of who the five people are)

- Keep the bat sonar up and running.(The sonar being shut down made sense thematically with TDK's ending, although this would've been a great weapon to use against Bane and his men in TDKR)

The Dark Knight Rises:

- Bring back Coleman Reese as an ally for Bruce Wayne.

- Keep the theme of using the news as a circuit to give the audience the views of Gotham City, such as when Batman returned and when Batman vanished again. Or at least something close to how The Dark Knight Returns portrays the news, so something maybe a little different than how TDK did it.(Even used in minimal, I felt Gotham City still had a voice in TDKR, but if it didn't have to rely on the running time, I feel the voice could've been expressed more without the news being used)

- Change John Daggett's name to Roland Daggett.(Ehh, I'm kinda over of this change, really. A name is just a name)

- Take away all signs that would point to Miranda Tate being a love interest and take away her sex scene with Bruce Wayne. Keep them as working professionals who maybe become friends. There are other ways for Talia to get into Bruce's heart than to get in his pants.(After watching TDKR more in my own home, I realize that sleeping with Bruce when he's now by himself in the mansion could've been a way to weaken Bruce and trying to get him to go with her in her plane rather than Bane fighting him. Talia may have had an idea of getting Bruce to the Pit in other ways, which is why she probably even mentioned going somewhere in her plane that night. Them sleeping together makes sense now)

- Give the Mayor more scenes, such as antagonizing Gordon on capturing Batman after his return and also hint on him wanting to fire Gordon in the spring before his death.

- Give one mention to Joker, such as him escaping Arkham Asylum or having escaped Arkham Asylum during the last eight years. Perhaps Bruce giving Blake some insight on Joker's whereabouts after he takes up the mantle to become the new Batman.(Scratch this. I'm firmly in the corner of respecting Nolan's wishes of not mentioning Joker at all after Ledger's death)

- Have a scene of Bruce talking to his parents' grave before he finally returns as Batman.

- Kill off Jen at the end to lose all ties with Selina in staying in Gotham City.

- Have Gordon actually retire from the GCPD at the end.(Someone being a hero, someone having faith still...that can work with Gordon still being as Commissioner, and the ending of him finding the fixed Bat signal wouldn't have been in the film if he indeed retired)

- Get rid of the entire character of Deputy Commissioner Foley.(Even in a short amount of time in TDKR, the character of Foley has grown on me)

General over all three films:

- Keep Batman's fighting style that he had in Batman Begins.

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The entire "bomb" climax in TDKR. Still not buying into the "driving a bomb around the city for months" thing. Seemed stupid and retroactive. It's like they needed some excuse to keep Gotham alive while Bruce was recovering in the pit.

No 8 year break (maybe one or two years)
More creative villain after TDK, i.e. not use the League of Shadows AGAIN.
No Talia. She was wasted and done poorly.
Different use of Scarecrow in TDKR. Either don't use him at all or make him important. The court scene was a waste for one of my favorite and most creative Batman villains.
Remove the Tumbler chase scene in BB. Driving on rooftops? Really???

I know there are more I can't think of right off.

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The entire "bomb" climax in TDKR. Still not buying into the "driving a bomb around the city for months" thing. Seemed stupid and retroactive. It's like they needed some excuse to keep Gotham alive while Bruce was recovering in the pit.

No 8 year break (maybe one or two years)
More creative villain after TDK, i.e. not use the League of Shadows AGAIN.
No Talia. She was wasted and done poorly.
Different use of Scarecrow in TDKR. Either don't use him at all or make him important. The court scene was a waste for one of my favorite and most creative Batman villains.
Remove the Tumbler chase scene in BB. Driving on rooftops? Really???

I know there are more I can't think of right off.
Flying. Flying on rooftops.


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No John Blake

No retire from being Batman not even for a day.

Keep Two-Face alive.

Kill Off Gordon.

Presented Two-Face even if it wasn't Aaron as Two Face in begins if only for a scene.

Have Batman use more gadgets

Recast Joker and continue with the Joker and Bane in a different script from TDKR. Go with one featuring Joker and continue instead of not mentioning him once.

No retiring at the end.

Write Selina better, could not understand that love story at all.

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No John Blake

No retire from being Batman not even for a day.

Keep Two-Face alive.

Kill Off Gordon.

Presented Two-Face even if it wasn't Aaron as Two Face in begins if only for a scene.

Have Batman use more gadgets

Recast Joker and continue with the Joker and Bane in a different script from TDKR. Go with one featuring Joker and continue instead of not mentioning him once.

No retiring at the end.

Write Selina better, could not understand that love story at all.
I can tell how much you dislike the retiring idea since you mentioned it twice

And regarding something else...Selina Kyle is possibly the best love interest Nolan has created in any of his films, imo; her story was one of the finest things in TDKR.

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