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Old 07-16-2013, 03:07 PM   #651
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i know he is not the lead but he is pretty important some people act like it is blasphemy he is even in this movie
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Wolverine should not be in X-Men movies, particularly Days of Future Past in which he is a main character in the comics. The problem comes down to focus. My take is that Wolverine is not a "lead" character. Astonishing X-Men used him perfectly, IMO. Was he a main character? Yes. Did he steal scenes and have his moments to shine? Of course. But was he driving the plot? No. Whedon's run centered on Kitty, Scott, and Peter. And guess what? That focus made Wolverine's scenes more memorable to me (the scene where the beer snaps Logan back to his senses? Priceless).

I feel that Wolverine is more of a "Han Solo/Sawyer" type of character in an ensemble piece. Fans love him. He steals every scenes he's in. But he should not be the "lead" character. It's just not in his nature and it undermines everything that makes Wolverine cool.

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Maybe it ties into why Quicksilver was apparently so necessary for Singer to throw in there...
He needs to give Kitty's powers the "jump-start"
IDK
Though I still think Northstar could've subbed in just as well.

also, totally agree with rory here^

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That also had the least well known cast... while the ones starring Jackman also had Halle Berry and other huge actors/characters.
Important to not that XFC came after X3 & XOW had done a significant amount of damage to the franchise. They lost a lot of the audience there.

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First Class has good central performers in solid roles, but somehow the whole thing doesn't hang together as well as X1/X2. I maintain it's mostly Vaughn's fault (although J. Jones didn't help!).

But it's no wonder FOX sees combining these two casts (and hooking Singer to direct) as more of a sure bet for a follow-up.

While I really like XFC I agree it's a bit wobbly. But I blame that on the uber-rushed production schedule, not Vaughn.

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I blame it on awful performances and a story and team that was hard to care about
only fassbender and mcavoy saved FC

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Speculation is one thing. Dozens of people acting as though certain select pieces of information paint a clear picture of what the finished product will end up being is another.
Exactly. Speculation is fine, but overdoing it can ruin a movie. I speak from experience. When you jump on every single bit of information that comes out and then try and twist and turn it in every direction possible, your mind creates all these theories and big visuals that set the bar way too high for the film itself that it just can't meet, and in the end, the film's a disappointment, even if it's good. For several of the last films I've followed, I've not over-thought the news that came out and took it at face value until the film came out, and in the end, I found it to be a much more enjoyable experience and the film could still surprise me.

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First Class has good central performers in solid roles, but somehow the whole thing doesn't hang together as well as X1/X2. I maintain it's mostly Vaughn's fault (although J. Jones didn't help!).

But it's no wonder FOX sees combining these two casts (and hooking Singer to direct) as more of a sure bet for a follow-up.

Singer was the 2nd choice for director

Fox were happy with how XFc was received and I'm sure they would be as it was considered by many to be the best comic book film of 2011

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Important to not that XFC came after X3 & XOW had done a significant amount of damage to the franchise. They lost a lot of the audience there.
It's true many felt the film franchise was getting tired and were incredibly surprised by what a fresh feel the film had


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While I really like XFC I agree it's a bit wobbly. But I blame that on the uber-rushed production schedule, not Vaughn.
it's very well written and Well performed, think that's why it's one of my favourite comic book movies

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Speaking of rushing production, DoFP is taking its time, which is very refreshing! It's been what, 3 and a half months and still no where near done? Bravo! Just don't pull a WWZ...

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not to mention that they started working on the script on January of last year, so thats MORE than a year with it, awesome!

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Singer was the 2nd choice for director

Fox were happy with how XFc was received and I'm sure they would be as it was considered by many to be the best comic book film of 2011
Singer wrote and was originally set to direct First Class. We could play this game all day...

Singer jumped into DOFP because things behind the scenes changed...and he saw an interesting opportunity.

FOX may have been pleased with First Class' overall performance...but it's clear that they weren't 'over the moon' about it...otherwise we'd be seeing a direct sequel.

...And then The Avengers happened.


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FOX may have been pleased with First Class' overall performance...but it's clear that they weren't 'over the moon' about it...otherwise we'd be seeing a direct sequel.

...And then The Avengers happened.

Maybe. But it's possible this was the plan all along, at least from Singer and Donner's end? It just seems to fit too perfectly to past statements.

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DOFP was In planning before the avengers opened.

Singer was already Involved as producer before taking over as director.He may end up with a story credit when writing credits come out next year.

They wanted to give Vaughn first crack at next X-Men film after DOFP.AFter co writting script he bailed for pet project Secret service which also happens to be at fox and Vaughn took over as producer on FF.So you can't claim there Is bad blood between vaughn and Fox or that Vaughn hated the idea of DOFP since he co-wrote script.

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Singer wrote and was originally set to direct First Class. We could play this game all day...

Singer jumped into DOFP because things behind the scenes changed...and he saw an interesting opportunity.

FOX may have been pleased with First Class' overall performance...but it's clear that they weren't 'over the moon' about it...otherwise we'd be seeing a direct sequel.

...And then The Avengers happened.

Singer was still 2nd choice because he was originally just going to just be producer with vaughn directing

and they already decided to give FC sequel in 2011, and maybe the avengers influenced the cross over idea but either way we was gonna see the FC guys cast again

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DOFP was In planning before the avengers opened.
i think you give singer to much credit that he planned it all out way in advance

there is no proof to suggest this

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work begain on script for DOFP In early 2012 before avengers opened.It's crazy to think
the thought of doing DOFP only happened after the avengers opened.

Donnor has beeen wanting to do DOFP for years.She and Singer talked about a X4 during work on DOFP.Plus the X2 treatment she talked about back In spring 2011 was almost certinly DOFP.

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work begain on script for DOFP In early 2012 before avengers opened.It's crazy to think
the thought of doing DOFP only happened after the avengers opened.
Was it early 2012? Fair enough in that case

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Quit using Wolverine as a crutch, damn it.

So Marsden don't even get to come back for this one?

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So Marsden don't even get to come back for this one?

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Well ok then. Bone thrown to a hungry dog move it may be.

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The only thing I'm a little disappointed in is that the new news makes it seem less likely we'll get the iconic Wolverine being vaporized by a sentinel scene. I would be pretty bummed if they left that out, because that image is one of the most iconic in X-men history.

However, it is still possible. Wolverine could meet that fate in the past, but if the X-men successfully change the timeline he wouldn't stay "dead."
I'm not disappointed with these latest plot details.

It would actually give the modern day X-Men more to do rather hiding and fighting against the Sentinels.

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Important to not that XFC came after X3 & XOW had done a significant amount of damage to the franchise. They lost a lot of the audience there.
Or the mainstream audience just wasn't interested seeing a X-Men film without Wolverine or the other more well-known characters. The younger version of Magneto and Professor X weren't even recognizable as Professor X and Magneto.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that Wolverine should not be in X-Men movies, particularly Days of Future Past in which he is a main character in the comics. The problem comes down to focus. My take is that Wolverine is not a "lead" character. Astonishing X-Men used him perfectly, IMO. Was he a main character? Yes. Did he steal scenes and have his moments to shine? Of course. But was he driving the plot? No. Whedon's run centered on Kitty, Scott, and Peter. And guess what? That focus made Wolverine's scenes more memorable to me (the scene where the beer snaps Logan back to his senses? Priceless).

I feel that Wolverine is more of a "Han Solo/Sawyer" type of character in an ensemble piece. Fans love him. He steals every scenes he's in. But he should not be the "lead" character. It's just not in his nature and it undermines everything that makes Wolverine cool.
Personally, as long as they can fix this timeline and sort of give this franchise a rebirth, should Wolverine have to be front and center one final time, I can live with it. I am sure we will be getting some expanded universe stuff, and Jackman won't star in all of them. As far as X-Men movies, this is probably the last traditional X-Men movie we get with that classic favor for some time, so Wolverine has to be a part of that. Do I think Singer can pull this off? If I had to bet, I'd say the movie has a good chance of collapsing under its own weight, but at least they are giving it a shot. That's all you can ask for.

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At this point they should just call this movie series a reboot...because Fox completely screwed up the lore for their own connected films. It doesn't even make sense anymore if you compare it to the other X-Men films.

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Hugh Jackman has let it slip that
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
The post credit scene of the wolverine involves preview for DOFP


meanwhile about Jean
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Reviews have said her appearances In the wolverine are merly dreams of Wolverine

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In The Wolverine premiere Famke basically confirmed she's not going to return for DOFP:
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