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Old 08-10-2006, 08:21 PM   #76
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Singer favored his script also and was going to use it completely but didn't have the budget. And 80% of what made it on screen was all Penn. So yeah.

I like how you throw out this abritrary percentage. Theres no way of you knowing that.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:21 PM   #77
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Default Re: Zak Penn. Can he be trusted to write Avengers movie?

Penn had nothing to do with FF, he came in toward the end and changed like one thing or something. He didnt write it.

Go to the xverse, you will see he didnt like the decisions with that film at all.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:22 PM   #78
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Penn had nothing to do with FF, he came in toward the end and changed like one thing or something. He didnt write it.

Go to the xverse, you will see he didnt like the decisions with that film at all.

This I can agree with, he had an interview about X3 about how thye changed a lot of things and he didnt like what they did. But Im not going to give him anymore credit than he deserves for X2.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:26 PM   #79
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I like how you throw out this abritrary percentage. Theres no way of you knowing that.
If you absorb information. Then you can. Could be more for all I know. But I was being generous. I also like how there really is no argument.

I will admit I liked X-3, I blatantly see how people can dislike it so much though. Kinberg is a pretty meh writer though, I haven't seen Mr and Mrs Smith yet though and I've heard good things. Remember Penn fighting Fox the whole time even get DP in the story. And even he has many reservations about the final film. Yet as a writer Penn is pretty good. Even if you ever read his Last Action Hero script(the original). So no I see no argument beyond "X-3 sucked so Penn sucks" yeah and MArio Puzo wrote a pretty camped up 60's batman show Superman script that had to be heavily rewritten. So I don't ****ing care.

I guess I can get past fanboyish feelings.

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He would always say how he hated that Wolverine HAD to be the focus, and he admits X3 isn't all that.

He never lied to us fans over there, Simon Kinberg on the other had, that bich!

I'm glad Penn got Hulk, I hope he runs with it. You wil see Darh, you will see.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:28 PM   #81
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He would always say how he hated that Wolverine HAD to be the focus, and he admits X3 isn't all that.

He never lied to us fans over there, Simon Kinberg on the other had, that bich!

I'm glad Penn got Hulk, I hope he runs with it. You wil see Darh, you will see.
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:28 PM   #82
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If you absorb information. Then you can. Could be more for all I know. But I was being generous. I also like how there really is no argument.

I will admit I liked X-3, I blatantly see how people can dislike it so much though. Kinberg is a pretty meh writer though, I haven't seen Mr and Mrs Smith yet though and I've heard good things. Remember Penn fighting Fox the whole time even get DP in the story. And even he has many reservations about the final film. Yet as a writer Penn is pretty good. Even if you ever read his Last Action Hero script(the original). So no I see no argument beyond "X-3 sucked so Penn sucks" yeah and MArio Puzo wrote a pretty camped up 60's batman show Superman script that had to be heavily rewritten. So I don't ****ing care.

I guess I can get past fanboyish feelings.

I dont think Penn is that bad of a writer, but IMO hes not that great of a writer. I just think hes average. If he pulls it off great, awesome. But he really hasnt shown me anything to make me behind him 100%. And by the way, I just go by the credits Penn is credited for the story along with Singer and Hayter, not the screenplay.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:29 PM   #83
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He would always say how he hated that Wolverine HAD to be the focus, and he admits X3 isn't all that.

He never lied to us fans over there, Simon Kinberg on the other had, that bich!

I'm glad Penn got Hulk, I hope he runs with it. You wil see Darh, you will see.

What will I see?

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:30 PM   #84
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:32 PM   #85
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Penn wrote Suspect Zero and Behind Enemy Lines....those are two decent films.

However outside of those two (he did not write the story for BEL) most of his movies have been crap. Some of it has been FOX's fault, however his campy exposition filled dialogue in X3 left much to be desired.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:33 PM   #86
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I really can't judge Penn too harshly for FF and X3 as their entire productions were pretty much screwed from the get go. However, he obviously hasn't done anything too impressive either, and because of that I'm sorta worried. Given it's probable size, Marvel really can't afford to mess up an Avengers movie, and I would've hoped they'd had gotten a big bigger, better name to write the script.
Damn, do I wish they'd just make an Ultimates movie. The comic's just so utterly cinematically, they'd barely even need a script to begin with.

And now I'll wait for the flood of replies telling me the Ultimates suck...
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:33 PM   #87
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Ya but do not forget all were 20th century FOX movies.
It doesn't matter if they were Fox movies, Fox did not write the crappy dialogue. Penn did.

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:36 PM   #88
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this news frightens me... X-3? F4? elektra? last action hero? ugh... garbage

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Old 08-10-2006, 08:37 PM   #89
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I am slightly worried over Hulk. I feel they are going to try to go far afield of what Ang Lee did. I don't want them to do that. He may have messed up the ending and villain in that movie, but he got a lot right. Especially when it came to how Hulk is a psychological thriller in a sense. He really did a nice job with the characters and showing how they are fragile. They better not make Hulk some smash 'em up.

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It doesn't matter if they were Fox movies, Fox did not write the crappy dialogue. Penn did.
Fox doesn't give the proper production time for a nice and tightly revised script. Hell I am REALLY scared about FF2.

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Old 08-10-2006, 10:20 PM   #91
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Hulk will be a great film.

Worrying about Avengers now is silly. It won't even happen this decade. It will also almost write itself with every character having their own solo film appearing from now until they unite in Avengers. You can't really write a final Avengers film until you see what works in their own solo films.

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Old 08-10-2006, 10:30 PM   #92
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Iron Man,Cap,Thor,Hawkeye and every other Avenger you can think of are all under Marvel's wing.

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Old 08-10-2006, 10:42 PM   #93
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I'm telling you, now that he has Hulk(with MARVEL rights), you will see he doesn't suck.

You know why both his movies sucked?



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Old 08-10-2006, 10:51 PM   #94
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Well let's hope that he proves himself because I haven't been to impressed with anything he's done so far. Perhaps without fox he can actully do something worth watching. Here's hoping.

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this is why marvels doing all the avengers in there own films.I bet they fight the hulk then suddenly aliens attack,it be nice if at the end of each of the heros films the others showed up to ask them to join.

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Old 08-10-2006, 11:29 PM   #96
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Well. I say give him one more chance with HULK.. if he proves he can do it he will have my vote of confidence.

I just hope this avengers movie isnt like the cartoon.. Cap, Thor and Iron man HAVE to be in this

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This is going to suck. I want to see individual origin movies first.

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I think Im cap and antman are getting their origin movies before this comes out.

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Damn, do I wish they'd just make an Ultimates movie. The comic's just so utterly cinematically, they'd barely even need a script to begin with.

And now I'll wait for the flood of replies telling me the Ultimates suck...
But Ultimate Marvel is not everyone's cup of tea. I say blend the Ultimates with the Avengers.

Have a Chitauri invasion of Earth. Have a massive battle between the Chitauri and the Avengers like in the Ultimates. Have a scene where a lot of heroes such as the Falcon, War Machine, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc. are captured by the Chitauri (like the scene where the Liberators have captured Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men). Take a lot of influences of the Ultimates, but it shouldn't be a full on Ultimates movie.

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Old 08-10-2006, 11:53 PM   #100
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This is going to suck. I want to see individual origin movies first.
Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hank Pym, and Hawkeye are getting orign movies.

The Hulk already has one.

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