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They probably figure the rights are too lucrative to just hand back for free. You need to get your business head on, not just your fanboy head!
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Unlike Sony who did at least have 2 decent Spider-man films the FF franchise was a wash. So rebooting it will be a harder task. And with all the heavy hitters that are releasing in 2015, an FF reboot that wasn't that well received the first time around could likely be crushed. Which would be a 130+ million invested down the drain. Fox isn't stupid, They'll be keeping a close eye on how The Wolverine aka "Mickey Mouse" does. And just like how Battleship flopped and Paramount pushed back G.I. Joe's sequel (because they know its crap). Fox will halt any endeavors currently on the table other than DOFP if The Wolverine fails to make a decent profit. So lets hope for the best. |
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But I think the whole "Suspend your disbelief" comes into play a lot with comic books. Still a good point though. Quote:
Since we're on the subject of Millar, a guy on another site did bring up a crazy notion asking what if Mark Millar is actually a Marvel plant brought in to sabotage Fox's films...? You can picture him calling back to headquarters saying something like, "Phase One is complete Matthew Vaughn is no longer directing DOFP. Now proceeding with Phase Two..." Meanwhile the real Mickey Mouse hangs up the phone on the other end and lights a cigar at his desk... Hmmm....far fetched or plausible? |
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You are aware that Mickey Mouse is a fictional character, right??
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Yes we are aware. Lol!! Mickey Mouse is just used as a symbol referencing the head of Disney/Marvel.
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Well known and respected scientist Reed Richards did an experiment of flying a rocket into space without proper radiation protection that caused him and his friends to be changed into the FANTASTIC FOUR. The average person's chance of flying off into space on an under protected rocketship are next to zero. The FF first came to the public's attention by saving New York City from invasion. They are percieved as unlucky heroes. Are you speaking of the FF from the comics or the movies? The FF of the comics were around in the 60's...and we do not know if the FF of the movies were around then or not yet.
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Yes, the XMEN were created as a statement about bigotry and intolerance of the times....that it still holds true today. People tend to be afraid of and hate what they are not and do not understand. The first time the most of the public heard of the FF...they were fighting to save the city of New York. The first time most of the public heard of the XMEN is because of the destruction caused by mutants fighting mutants. People's first perceptions are always hard to overcome.
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That and it sounds better than "Bob Iger".
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The X-Men are perceived as a threat, an emerging new species that - as the films keep telling us - could do what Cro-Magnon did to the Neanderthal. The general policy of hiding in the shadows to avoid discrimination is sensible, but is perceived by humans as making them even more unknown, furtive and sinister. They're perceived to be vigilantes with hidden agendas.
The FF were born normal humans and were public figures who have never hidden away. They're not perceived to be the next stage in human evolution, they are seen as victims of accidental radiation exposure. Those people who have powers but weren't born with them (what Marvel calls 'mutates' rather than mutants and what DC calls 'metahumans') also come in for suspicion and criticism if they hide their identities, as with Spider-Man and Jameson's relentless campaign against him. I think it's a lot to do with being secretive and therefore seeming to have mysterious motives. That can happen with gay people too; those who are out, loud, proud and obvious are often more happily accepted in society than those who 'hide' their sexuality.
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But considering the 90 to 10 split in box office revenues favoring Fox, (a deal made while Marvel was facing bankruptcy) I can't see how Marvel/Disney could wish them any type of legitimate success with these 2 franchises as it stands. |
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And we don't yet know exactly how the films will deal with the emergence of the Fantastic Four. Maybe it will be a slower progression towards public acceptance. The other thing is that in the comics, there has been prejudice against superhumans other than mutants. In the DoFP comics, the Sentinels turned on all superhumans in the end, not just mutants, and we see the graves of the F4 and a montage of dead heroes including Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hulk and Captain America. In fact, there has also been a Superhuman Registration Act in which all superbeings were targeted - it first appeared in the 1990 comics and then as part of the 2006 crossover Civil War. Plus, Reed and Sue Richards have a mutant son, Franklin, who is part of DoFP in the comics. All that points to the fact that it's not as clear-cut you may want to think. In addition, there have been mutants in the Avengers, including Beast, Scarlet Witch, and they don't seem to face the same prejudice as Avengers as they did in the X-Men stories.
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They were called Children of the Atom in the comics, and that was also mentioned in First Class. Atom = atomic energy. Xavier theorises in First Class (when speaking to the CIA) that the rising use of nuclear power has led to many more superpowered mutants emerging. There's also been mention of it in the comics. That's because radiation is a known mutagenic agent. Not the only cause, but nonethless a cause. Some mutations are spontaneous, some are triggered by external factors like radiation, chemicals, viruses. In the comics, Beast progressed to his furry blue state when he discovered the 'chemical cause' of mutation. Xavier mentioned in the comics that his parents worked on the first atom bomb project, hinting at radiation playing a part.
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The X-Men COMICS referred to them as 'children of the atom', and also mentioned radiation several other times as a factor in producing mutants. As I said - if you could please read my reply again, properly this time - mutations can occur spontaneously, without any obvious cause. But they can also be triggered by external factors, including radiation - whether naturally occurring (like that from the sun, other parts of space, or from radioactive elements in rocks in the Earth) or man-made (nuclear weapons, nuclear power stations etc). In the COMICS, Xavier's parents worked on the atom bomb. In the COMICS, Beast was made blue and furry by a chemical advancing his mutation. In the COMICS, the Sentinels were convinced that radiation was the cause of mutation and that to eliminate mutation, they should eliminate the primary cause of radiation on earth - the sun. They flew into the sun and were destroyed. I also believe Sunfire mentioned his parents as victims of the Hiroshima blast, hinting at that being a factor in his being a mutant. Bottom line = radiation is a factor in mutations. In First Class, they said the nuclear age had led to the sudden appearance of many more of these superpowered mutants than might otherwise happen naturally. That explains the long gap between Apocalypse emerging and the mutants of the 1960s, as there weren't many other known superhumans in the period between. Quote:
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Where do people think titles like “X-Men: Children of The Atom” come from? Radiation and radiation exposure have been linked to the X-Men since their inception. It's certainly not an idea made up by Fox. Last edited by BMM; 11-13-2012 at 06:38 PM. |
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I understand the studio hate when certain studios produce bad movies, but hating a studio because they rightfully own a property is a bit much, don't you think?
Vaughn helped Millar get the job, yes, but only because Fox were already actively looking for someone. You're making it sound like they created this job just cause Millar and Vaughn are friends, and that isn't the case. But, what is so wrong with hiring a consultant to bring continuity and connectivity between multiple properties/franchises? ![]() |
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You also have to bear in mind the X-gene is an invention of the comics, and is not entirely logical. It would take more than one gene to cause all those various powers and appearances. However, we could theorise that the X-gene is some sort of trigger for 'reawakening' some of the huge amount of inactive genetic material in the human body. Did you know that up to 99 per cent of our DNA is not actually active? It's what is sometimes called junk DNA. I would suggest that the X-gene wakes up some of that junk DNA (different bits in different people) and results in the many different superhuman mutations we see in the comics. The bottom line is that radiation can cause mutation. Not always, but it can. In the Hulk TV series, there was a great story where they found evidence of a prehistoric man who could also turn into a Hulk-like creature, and they theorised that - as there hadn't been any gamma bombs back then - it must have been radiation reaching earth from a supernova explosion in space.
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