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Old 08-27-2016, 12:51 PM   #126
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I prefer season 2 to 1 as well. I was downright bored for a several episode stretch late in season 1 and I never felt that way during 2, even with the less engaging yakuza episodes. Even if the yakuza episodes had been crap the Punisher would have made up for them on his own. I'm a little alarmed that he probably won't be in season 3.

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Old 08-27-2016, 01:26 PM   #127
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Old 08-27-2016, 03:52 PM   #128
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I prefer season 2 to 1 as well. I was downright bored for a several episode stretch late in season 1 and I never felt that way during 2, even with the less engaging yakuza episodes. Even if the yakuza episodes had been crap the Punisher would have made up for them on his own. I'm a little alarmed that he probably won't be in season 3.
Well that's what happens when you give a character a spin off series. You don't use him again in a series that isn't his. I'm kind of happy about it though... If only Elektra could get a series/mini series.

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Old 08-27-2016, 05:01 PM   #129
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I also prefer season 2 to season 1, if only slightly. I found the pacing and the character interactions to be better in season 2.

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Old 08-27-2016, 10:58 PM   #130
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DD season 2 gets extra points from me, because it is the first modern liveaction tv show about a fully realized superhero from Marvel. Tv is perfect medium for adapting comic books.

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Old 09-11-2016, 09:04 PM   #131
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I finally finished season 2.

I'm torn about the multiple storylines. On the one hand, I liked that they had multiple ongoing plots, but on the other hand, I'm not sure they were balanced very well. I'm not sure what I would have changed. It just seemed that characters would take an odd backseat and Daredevil's motivations would change depending upon the main "plot" for the particular episode. I did watch this season in small "binges" of two to three episodes, so that may have contributed to this issue. I know that pretty much every season 2 review I read indicated that they liked the multiple storylines and how they were handled.

My only other issue was poor Karen Page! It's starting to be a little unrealistic how much crap the character is being put through. I've lost count of the number of times someone has tried to kill her or her life has otherwise been in danger. I guess that could be giving her so much turmoil to build to a "Born Again" storyline, but I really have to doubt her sanity when she doesn't just pack her things and move far, far, far away.

Otherwise, it was an awesome season which left me wanting to see more of Elektra, Punisher, Fisk and everyone else.

EDIT: I forgot one other issue - the dark! I get that Daredevil doesn't operate during the light of day, but there didn't appear to be a single set in the entire series which had a reasonable amount of lighting at night. Is everyone in Hell's Kitchen super eco-conscious? Did they keep having brown outs? Given the talented people involved, it would be great to be able to see both the costumes and all the action a lot more clearly.

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Old 09-12-2016, 02:31 PM   #132
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I'm shocked the cops weren't more suspicious of Karen given the way she kept surviving all these attempts on her life.

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Old 09-19-2016, 02:40 PM   #133
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My biggest complaint with the season would only be: The last fight scene was way too dark/poorly lit. Really hard to make out things going on.

If you are referring to the roof top fight, it needed to be dim..... Matt had his mask knocked off..... So I was good with it....

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Old 09-20-2016, 12:05 AM   #134
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If you are referring to the roof top fight, it needed to be dim..... Matt had his mask knocked off..... So I was good with it....
I was. I didn't need spot lights on the character from cops but it would have been nice to get just a little more light from the city on them as it was had to make out things.

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Old 01-15-2017, 08:13 PM   #135
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I didn't like how Matt was portrayed after Elektra was introduced. I just had no interest or care for that whole storyline with her, the ninjas, Nobu, Stick, Black Sky, etc.

And I do think there was too much Karen. I think alot of her role with her interaction with Frank in the hospital should have gone to Matt, but they had him tied up with Elektra and her adventures.

I liked the whole thing surrounding the Punisher. From a shady DA, the gang turf wars, Fisk's involvement, and I was hoping there would be more to The Black Smith. I just think the ending with that was pushed aside for the Nobu/Elektra storylines. But perhaps we'll get more detail with the new Punisher series coming out.

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Old 01-15-2017, 09:43 PM   #136
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Daredevil definitely got cluttered and disjointed by the end of the second season with all the subplots and spinning plates. Making Karen so integrally involved with all the subplots was also annoying because they had to make her an ace reporter and Ben Urich's replacement. And killing Urich was a bad movie IMHO in the first place.

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Old 01-16-2017, 02:27 AM   #137
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I really did miss Urich's presence, though if he lived, we'd have another character to deal with, unless he took over the role of his editor.

As for Karen's role with Punisher being given to Matt.... I also don't think that would have been in character for him. Karen got emotionally attached and that's not something Matt would have done for Frank. Matt's role this season was to try and juggle both sides of his life. Elektra made him love being in his vigilante world but it also showed how much of a toll that took on his personal life and the people around him.

Also, Frank connected with Karen because she reminded him of his family in a sense and that's why she was roped into all of that.

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Also, it played off Karen's own arc of dealing with having killed a guy.

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But seriously, if he starts a romance with Karen Page...

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Daredevil definitely got cluttered and disjointed by the end of the second season with all the subplots and spinning plates. Making Karen so integrally involved with all the subplots was also annoying because they had to make her an ace reporter and Ben Urich's replacement. And killing Urich was a bad movie IMHO in the first place.
It made no sense from what I remember. Was there any indication Karen had a background in journalism prior to be hired as a reporter? Karen should've died and Ben had her reporting storyline and maybe Foggy her Frank storyline (though I did like her and Frank together). Elektra could've replaced her as a permanent female cast member.

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That it was somehow worse than the first season by a larger margin even though they had the best writers of the first season to shepherd this. The fights on average were worse. The season was very jarringly split between two stories (I genuinely can't recall much past Punisher's episodes). I once again didn't care much for Karen and Foggy's side adventures.

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It made no sense from what I remember. Was there any indication Karen had a background in journalism prior to be hired as a reporter? Karen should've died and Ben had her reporting storyline and maybe Foggy her Frank storyline (though I did like her and Frank together). Elektra could've replaced her as a permanent female cast member.
I think killing her that early would've been a mistake. But her suddenly getting involved in the newspaper and becoming an ace reporter never sat well with me. Her season ending monologue didn't sit well with me either. None of what she said really seemed to connect to what had happened in season two.

I'm keeping an open mind. My hope is that Defenders and Season 3 can hopefully either amend some of these issues or smooth them out.

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It made no sense from what I remember. Was there any indication Karen had a background in journalism prior to be hired as a reporter? Karen should've died and Ben had her reporting storyline and maybe Foggy her Frank storyline (though I did like her and Frank together). Elektra could've replaced her as a permanent female cast member.
Out of all of the women on the show, I would rather have Claire become more of a main character than either Karen or Elektra (I just didn't care for Elektra in this at all to be honest.)

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I think season 1 was more focused and cohesive then season 2.

Season 1 has a tight focus on the DD vs. Fisk storyline, season 2 goes all over the place alternating between a Punisher story and a Elektra/Hand story and there was nothing to tie those stories together.

I think season 1 is better than season 2 due to tighter story telling.

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Out of all of the women on the show, I would rather have Claire become more of a main character than either Karen or Elektra (I just didn't care for Elektra in this at all to be honest.)

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Well that's what happens when you give a character a spin off series. You don't use him again in a series that isn't his. I'm kind of happy about it though... If only Elektra could get a series/mini series.
The same thing happened with Luke Cage. He was introduced in Jessica Jones before getting his own show. Difference is Luke never overshadowed Jessica, where Frank sometimes overshadowed Matt even though the show is about Matt.

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As for Karen's role with Punisher being given to Matt.... I also don't think that would have been in character for him. Karen got emotionally attached and that's not something Matt would have done for Frank. Matt's role this season was to try and juggle both sides of his life. Elektra made him love being in his vigilante world but it also showed how much of a toll that took on his personal life and the people around him.

Also, Frank connected with Karen because she reminded him of his family in a sense and that's why she was roped into all of that.
But it would've been interesting. [sigh] Maybe it's just something to save for fanfics. There's at least one fanfic on Archive of Our Own, "No Regrets," that documents the "What if Frank had ask to speak to Matt alone, instead of Karen?" what-if.

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Likewise Foggy was also being blind. Foggy has a friend who for all he knows is saving the city daily, saving lives all the way, and when he shows up late to something instead of being understanding that, maybe he was being almost killed, saving lives, the city, and sacrificing everything for the city, he gets really mad and tells him to leave. (Obviously was not actually asking him to not come back, but he kinda gave him permission to for the purpose of guilting him, and then secretly hoping he would show up on time the next day.)
I have to agree. I would have actually preferred it if Foggy had at least TRIED to show some sympathy for what Matt's doing. Like, "I understand Daredevil is a part of you and I know that whatever you're doing as Daredevil is important, but you have a job here too, Matt."

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Karen was pretty blind to how evil Frank was. Possibly because she even practically admitted she believes that what he does is ok. Basically she claimed that maybe since it works for him to murder villains, it should be allowed. Then she gets super scared and horrified when he kills people who were trying to kill her, and later swaps completely and tries to get him to stop. Pretending that this last kill would be different, almost as if it would be his first time "crossing over the line" as Frank put it to Daredevil. As if to say killing the people who work for bad guys is justifiable, but killing the lead 'bad guy' is a bad idea, wrong, and somehow worse and different from killing the others.
To be fair, I think Karen is projecting a lot on Frank.

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