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Old 01-30-2016, 05:36 PM   #1
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Default Daredevil, Civil War, and the Sokovia Accords

Conveniently, Daredevil season 2 is basically going to drop before Captain America Civil War comes out. So technically, it doesn't really have to worry about referencing events that are going to happen in that film, like Agents of SHIELD dealt with events that happened in Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.

Now yes, these shows are essentially in their own isolated corner of the MCU. But they are still "connected."

However, the Sokovia Accords is a major reaching thing that seems to have major ramifications across the MCU, and it's not something I think Daredevil and the Netflix shows can avoid forever.

Now to be completely clear, I'm not talking about major crossover episodes about the Civil War. But I think the second season should make it clear through the news or dialogue bits about superhero registration. Not to mention the already deeply negative distrust that some civilians have for heroes and gifted individuals that we saw in Jessica Jones after the Battle of New York, I think those threads need to carry over in season 2 of Daredevil.

Not saying Daredevil should be forced into registration. But maybe Daredevil's job becomes a little harder. The nice sgt. turned a blind eye to him late last season, but maybe less of that will happen.

But maybe events in Daredevil between Daredevil and Punisher will also further push the Sokovia Accords and distrust of masked crime fighters.

By the time Iron Fist and Defenders come around, if registration is still in effect, they won't be able to ignore for that long.

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Old 01-30-2016, 06:48 PM   #2
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I can imagine DD effecting events in CW and possibly even being referenced.

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Old 01-30-2016, 07:12 PM   #3
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I can imagine DD effecting events in CW and possibly even being referenced.
IMHO, it doesn't even have to be a reference. Like some photos on a screen or some newspaper clippings. Not saying they should make an offhanded remark, but a referenced to the "Devil of Hell's Kitchen" would be neat somewhere around there.

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They'll definately reference it.

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Civil War seems to be focused on super humans and events that can destroy cities. To the public Daredevil has no super powers, he's just some vigilante in a mask. However I would like to see Foggy touch on the idea of DD becoming an Avenger, thus no longer being a vigilante but legitimate law enforcement. But Matt being against it since it defeats the purpose of being DD.

JJ and Luke Cage have a much more at stake with the Sokovia Accords but it sounds like they're trying to keep a lower profile and is plausible the slip through the cracks. Plus it's not like they're be destroying buildings and attracting that kind of attention. I would like to see it touched upon.

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Civil War seems to be focused on super humans and events that can destroy cities. To the public Daredevil has no super powers, he's just some vigilante in a mask. However I would like to see Foggy touch on the idea of DD becoming an Avenger, thus no longer being a vigilante but legitimate law enforcement. But Matt being against it since it defeats the purpose of being DD.

JJ and Luke Cage have a much more at stake with the Sokovia Accords but it sounds like they're trying to keep a lower profile and is plausible the slip through the cracks. Plus it's not like they're be destroying buildings and attracting that kind of attention. I would like to see it touched upon.
It's pretty obviously more than just that.

Iron Man isn't a superhuman. He's a dude in a suit of armor.

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Old 01-31-2016, 05:17 AM   #7
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Civil War seems to be focused on super humans and events that can destroy cities. To the public Daredevil has no super powers, he's just some vigilante in a mask.
Not really. What Ross tells Cap in the first Civil War trailers makes it very clear:

"Captain, while a great many people see you as a hero, there are some who prefer the word vigilante. You've operated with unlimited power and no supervision. That's something the world can no longer tolerate."

To me, this applies to heroes like Daredevil just as much. True, he might not be a super human like Hulk or Thor, but his actions can easily lead to something dangerous on a much larger scale, because he too operates with no supervision and takes the law into his own hands. Even the Punisher can easily be put in this cathegory (more so than Daredevil, in fact). If the Accords are really focused on putting an end to unsupervised vigilantism, then the Civil War will affect heroes all over the MCU, no matter how big or small their operations are.

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The shows be them Netflix or Television usually reference events of the films. It's inevitable an event the caliber of CW gets eferenced.

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Everything we heard is that the Sokovia Accords focus on the Avengers, so I doubt Daredevil will have an impact.

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Even if he doesnt have an impact. It might impact DD and the Defenders. It would be a big missed oppurtunity for it not to.

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Even if he doesnt have an impact. It might impact DD and the Defenders. It would be a big missed oppurtunity for it not to.
Yeah there should be some sort of impact or reference. You can't ignore something as big and far reaching as Civil War and the government regulation.

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Old 01-31-2016, 02:02 PM   #12
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As mentioned, DD season 2 more than likely takes place before Civil War. The public distrust could be mentioned, but I don't see anything beyond that. Maybe in season 3.

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Everything we heard is that the Sokovia Accords focus on the Avengers, so I doubt Daredevil will have an impact.

The accord says "Framework, Registration and Deployment of Enhanced Individuals", that includes everybody who is enhanced, not just the Avengers.


Daredevil is an "enhanced" individual. Not on the level of Cap or Iron Man, but he still has superhuman sense of smell and hearing so the accord still applies to him. I really think DD not being in CW was a hugely missed opportunity.

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Yeah there should be some sort of impact or reference. You can't ignore something as big and far reaching as Civil War and the government regulation.
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The accord says "Framework, Registration and Deployment of Enhanced Individuals", that includes everybody who is enhanced, not just the Avengers.


Daredevil is an "enhanced" individual. Not on the level of Cap or Iron Man, but he still has superhuman sense of smell and hearing so the accord still applies to him. I really think DD not being in CW was a hugely missed opportunity.
You're basing a lot on a picture that's still ambiguous when the comments of those in charge push in a different direction.

On top of that, no one but Claire knows Daredevil is enhanced.

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OK but SHIELD for example in the past monitored characters like Daredevil. Those things were secrets, and all those secrets got leaked.

So there is no one around who is aware of Daredevil and his activities at all and what he's capable of? I mean, I feel like someone's got to know.

SHIELD does still exist, the Avengers have their own facility on US soil. The government is aware of both. So I mean, someone has to know something about Daredevil or have a file or something.

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I think you overestimate the government's ability to monitor shady areas of Manhattan. It's an incredible amount of resources you're proposing for them to be able to do that. SHIELD might have been able to, but SHIELD didn't exist by the time Daredevil was known - at least, not SHIELD as we knew it.

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It's pretty obviously more than just that.

Iron Man isn't a superhuman. He's a dude in a suit of armor.
If DD's costume was a flying tank, then you'd might have a point.

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Not really. What Ross tells Cap in the first Civil War trailers makes it very clear:

"Captain, while a great many people see you as a hero, there are some who prefer the word vigilante. You've operated with unlimited power and no supervision. That's something the world can no longer tolerate."

To me, this applies to heroes like Daredevil just as much. True, he might not be a super human like Hulk or Thor, but his actions can easily lead to something dangerous on a much larger scale, because he too operates with no supervision and takes the law into his own hands. Even the Punisher can easily be put in this cathegory (more so than Daredevil, in fact). If the Accords are really focused on putting an end to unsupervised vigilantism, then the Civil War will affect heroes all over the MCU, no matter how big or small their operations are.
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The accord says "Framework, Registration and Deployment of Enhanced Individuals", that includes everybody who is enhanced, not just the Avengers.


Daredevil is an "enhanced" individual. Not on the level of Cap or Iron Man, but he still has superhuman sense of smell and hearing so the accord still applies to him. I really think DD not being in CW was a hugely missed opportunity.
The thing is no one knows he's "enhanced". To the public he's just a skilled, but crazy, guy fighting criminals with his bare hands. There doesn't need to be a new law to cover him, the existing ones already do. The military or international communities wouldn't be concerned by him. He's a matter for local police. Until he actually displays super human powers The government wouldn't be concerned. We the audience knows he's enhanced, but the world of the MCU, does not.

The difference between Cap being called vigilante and Daredevil is that DD is already well defined by the law. The Avengers is a privatize military force that is capable of fighting off an alien invasion and army of robots(as well basically creating said robots) which lead to the destruction of city. The Sokovia Accords is the law playing catch up with a changing world as a means of allowing The Avengers to continue to operate but with governmental supervision. DD and Punisher would just be straight up arrested and jailed, the Sokovia Accords wouldn't even come into play.

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Oh please, you say that like you don't wanna see DD or Defenders or one of the Netflix shows tie in with CW. Everyone does.

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Oh please, you say that like you don't wanna see DD or Defenders or one of the Netflix shows tie in with CW. Everyone does.
No, don't get me wrong, I would freaking love that. As long as it works I'm all for it. All I'm saying is the plot of CW and the way it's set up doesn't concern the Defenders directly and it can be a bit of a stretch to include them. Maybe if the netflix series were a little farther along it would be easier and less obtrusive. At the very least I'd love to see Cap and Widow talk about potentially recruiting DD.

All I'm saying is it's not a shoe in.

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The thing is no one knows he's "enhanced". To the public he's just a skilled, but crazy, guy fighting criminals with his bare hands. There doesn't need to be a new law to cover him, the existing ones already do. The military or international communities wouldn't be concerned by him. He's a matter for local police. Until he actually displays super human powers The government wouldn't be concerned. We the audience knows he's enhanced, but the world of the MCU, does not.

The difference between Cap being called vigilante and Daredevil is that DD is already well defined by the law. The Avengers is a privatize military force that is capable of fighting off an alien invasion and army of robots(as well basically creating said robots) which lead to the destruction of city. The Sokovia Accords is the law playing catch up with a changing world as a means of allowing The Avengers to continue to operate but with governmental supervision. DD and Punisher would just be straight up arrested and jailed, the Sokovia Accords wouldn't even come into play.
That argument could be applied to Spider-Man as well, and he's affected by the accord and plays a role in the movie.


There's gotta be somebody out there who knows about Daredevil and his powers.

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We don't even know of the Accords will last beyond this film.

Daredevil and the other Netflix shows may never have to deal with them

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I will say, it's interesting that the next big MCU film will at least partially deal with the, indeed, vigilante actions and accountability of the Marvel heroes, while on the current crown jewel of the Netflix section, DD will tangle with the purest version of the comic book vigilante in Frank Castle, likely dealing with very similar issues of lack of oversight, collateral damage and effects on the public at large. This is Frank we are talking about. While he's no super villain setting explosives willy nilly, or has the power to drop a city on the Earth from miles up, he still is a character that leaves a lot of stuff destroyed in his wake, and if he were in operation in NYC on a regular basis, it would be HUGE news that would drive a lot of the media talk. Hopefully they will explore the differences between the two, Daredevil's struggle to maintain his morals and the ethics of his "crusade" in NYC, and the Punisher's take no prisoners, no mercy philosophy.

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That argument could be applied to Spider-Man as well, and he's affected by the accord and plays a role in the movie.
It may not be crazy for one person to be affected but it stretches belief the more people are affected when they shouldn't be.

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Hawkeye and Black Widow are not enhanced (even less than DD) and yet the Accords affect them too.

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