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Old 03-10-2017, 06:28 PM   #101
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I don't think it does. Just because they tell you that he wasn't as cruel in the past..

I mean, besides the opening scene where he saves a little girl (which to me was put in the movie as a cheap way to get AT LEAST some people on his side) when does he come across compassionate? He's one note all movie. Don't tell me about his past , show me or I can't get invested. I dont want to think of batman in different mediums. I want to see THIS BATMAN do great things and then you can take him down a bad path, that way I feel something for when he redeems himself. This was just villainous murder grumpy dude who realizes he should stop being a S.O.B at the end. It's like okay? You WERE being a total jerk Bruce, that's your fault. People warned you and you still killed people for no reason. So that's on you. Zero sympathy from me.

I feel like people put too much of their past experiences with batman into this one instead of looking at this version for what it is and what they're showing you. If Bales Batman went through this downfall, I would have felt something because I saw him in 3 movies acting heroic. It would mean something. Just like if Superman wasn't saving people from the beginning, once he starts saving people at the end, it would be an arc. Instead, these characters don't really have full arcs.

And to top it all off, he's just as one note and as much of an a-hole in Suicide Squad. So I can't be bothered feeling anything yet. I'll wait until Reeves gets a hold of him, and works out a proper arc for this guy.
Now I really question your reasonings. That was one of the most powerful scenes elaborating on Bruce's principles. He runs towards a freaking dust cloud from a falling skyscraper because of how much he cares. He saves the little girl and tries comforting her after she loses her mother and he thinks of his own mother and knows how painful it is. That is some serious emotion right there. But you think it's cheap?

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Old 03-10-2017, 09:30 PM   #102
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In your opinion. Bruce running into a dust cloud because that's going to save people right? He cares about this guy that we don't know or care for (most of us are laughing at that dude because of how stupid he is too).

I don't care if others felt emotion with that. It's the opening scene with this version of Bruce and we've never seen this character before that scene so why should I be so invested ? I need more than that, it needs to be earned. It's a cool opening scene though . It does its job. It sets up the rest of the movie. But I didn't get all teary eyed when he ran into a damn cloud. And I still think the scene with the girl was out in there to show you that he's not a villain all the way, because everything else he does after that is pure madness. Villainous behaviour that nobody would logically get behind so we need SOME scene with compassion to kick things off.

He thinks of his own mother ? In that scene? Did you just add a new shot of your own that wasn't in the film?

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That's fine. But I don't feel much in that scene especially when I'm taken out of it as soon as that moron only tells his employees to leave (once Bruce gives him the go). And then he has a chance to leave with them but stays back and just watches as these aliens crash into his building. He STILL stays put and decides to pray. It's hilarious. It can pass as a comedy in that instant, so when I see Bruce running towards his building probably because of "Jack". I don't feel anything. I do like Bruce helping his employees and saving the girl but to me it's still a cheap and easy thing to throw in there for some feels before we get to the 2.5 plus hour murderfest from the same guy. It's the easiest thing in the world to write in. "Just have Bruce save a little girl. Ehh that should be enough to get the audience to understand why he hates Superman!"

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He thinks of his own mother ? In that scene? Did you just add a new shot of your own that wasn't in the film?
Were you watching his facial expressions at all? Honestly, were you?

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He looked angry.

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Were you watching his facial expressions at all? Honestly, were you?
Yeah. Were you?

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Yeah. That's how I know that Bruce knows the pain of losing a mother and empathizes with the girl.

It is so obvious if only people paid attention.



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He looked angry.
He started to get angry only after witnessing Supes and Zod crash landing towards Earth. Before that, he comforts the girls and when the girl points towards the building, you can clearly see the sadness in Batfleck's eyes. Wait, seriously was all these so subtle only I can see it?

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He gives a quick glance and looks like "aww that's a shame" then looks away quickly putting angry attention to superman . I think you're exaggerating the sadness in his eyes. If anything Ben isn't a subtle or nuanced actor and doesn't make me feel much in that scene. Maybe if he was a stronger actor..

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As far as I am concerned, he is doing a far better job than Christian Bale in the acting department.

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That's the joke of the year. Ben is playing each persona EXACTLY the same. Ben wishes he was half the actor Christian is. And he would probably admit that too.

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Disagreed. Ben doesn't overact. Christian is better at that.

And for the record, I am not talking about Christian Bale's other movies, it's just his Bruce Wayne and Batman that is weaker than it should be.

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Christian is far better at playing Batman than Ben. Ben is one note. Christian actually has range. Christian could play the Billionaire playboy, the rage-filled crimefighter, the angry young man, and the real man beneath all the masks. And that's all in one movie. Ben doesn't even have enough skill to create his own Batvoice.

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^ Exactly. That's why Bale always tops the best Batman polls by a long margin. That's why he won awards like the People's Choice Awards, Saturn, Scream, and MTV awards for best hero in the TDK trilogy.

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Funny I saw Ben exhibit multiple emotions in one movie than Christian in 3. I will take modulated voice, which is still highly effective, than Christian's overacting voice anyday.

They didn't give modulated voice to him because they thought Ben's voice is terrible. It's a creative choice. We don't yet know if Ben is capable or not.

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Funny I saw Ben exhibit multiple emotions in one movie than Christian in 3.
Funny, I saw Ben get nominated for more razzies in one movie than Christian in 3.

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As if people actually take Razzies seriously.

The only people who take it seriously are the ones who use it to justify their own opinion. More power to them if that makes them feel better.

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The only people who take it seriously are the ones who use it to justify their own opinion.
And the only people who try to undermine them are the ones whose opinion doesn't line up with the Razzies.

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How many even talk about Razzies? I bet most of my friends don't know what a Razzie is. I'm highly certain of that.

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How many even talk about Razzies? :
This doesn't dispute what I said: The only people who try to undermine the razzies do so because they disagree with the Razzies.

Like, for example, someone who thinks BvS is a 9/10 film.

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They didn't give modulated voice to him because they thought Ben's voice is terrible. It's a creative choice. We don't yet know if Ben is capable or not.
And they messed with Christian's voice in post production, which was a creative choice, too. But at least he still sounded like a human being putting on a gritty voice, instead of coming off as a cyborg.

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Ben has made an entire career out of overacting and not being believable in 80 percent of his films. He has never been much of a respected actor, and people only started taking him seriously once he started directing. And that had more to do with him as a filmmaker. Bale has been respected for decades now, by everyone in the business.

If you think Affleck gave a better performance. Cool. Most of us disagree. Ben doesn't have much range as an actor. I don't buy it when he's angry. I don't buy it when he's emotional. Bale is a dedicated actor, and i saw the character. Affleck plays Bruce and Batman like Affleck throwing on a suit. You know what you're going to get with him.

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I think it's safe to say that Bale is regarded as the best Batman regardless of what anybodys circle of friends think of the opinion. However, it is my opinion that if the polls were taken again then Lego Batman would probably be regarded higher than Ben as well.

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This doesn't dispute what I said: The only people who try to undermine the razzies do so because they disagree with the Razzies.

Like, for example, someone who thinks BvS is a 9/10 film.
You don't have to like a film that's been nominated for Razzies to undermine it. It's very existence is based on mocking the work of others, work that is an art form. Anyone who understands it will question the credibility of the Razzies.

And my impression of Christian Bale is that he is serviceable for the Batman character. I have loved the TDKT But not for its Batman. You don't have to be an award winning actor to play the character. My comparison is relative in nature. Bale isn't bad but Affleck is just plain better in my opinion. He's got a commanding presence as both Bruce Wayne/Batman and surprisingly has the fire that fits the character. And I couldn't care less about Affleck outside his Batman. Somehow he is the perfect fit for Batman which still surprises me and that's why I'm defending his acting. I don't care for his other movies. With Christian Bale, it's the opposite. He's great in other movies but I can't really get 100% behind his Batman. We are talking about a fictional character and we have our own idea of what Batman should be. Affleck fits my version.

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And they messed with Christian's voice in post production, which was a creative choice, too. But at least he still sounded like a human being putting on a gritty voice, instead of coming off as a cyborg.
When you say Cyborg, do you mean the League member or a terminator? Because Cyborg the league member sounds like a human being too.

Anyway, feels like deja vu. Going round and round in circles I suppose.

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You don't have to like a film that's been nominated for Razzies to undermine it.
That is obvious, and can go without saying. That being said, when it is undermined, its usually for the reasons I've said.

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Ben has made an entire career out of overacting and not being believable in 80 percent of his films. He has never been much of a respected actor, and people only started taking him seriously once he started directing. And that had more to do with him as a filmmaker. Bale has been respected for decades now, by everyone in the business.

If you think Affleck gave a better performance. Cool. Most of us disagree. Ben doesn't have much range as an actor. I don't buy it when he's angry. I don't buy it when he's emotional. Bale is a dedicated actor, and i saw the character. Affleck plays Bruce and Batman like Affleck throwing on a suit. You know what you're going to get with him.
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I think it's safe to say that Bale is regarded as the best Batman regardless of what anybodys circle of friends think of the opinion. However, it is my opinion that if the polls were taken again then Lego Batman would probably be regarded higher than Ben as well.
Yeah, I think time will be kinder to Lego Batman than Batfleck. Unless the Batman solo actually gets a decent Batman this time.

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When you say Cyborg, do you mean the League member or a terminator? Because Cyborg the league member sounds like a human being too.
Neither. I mean cyborg as in sounding like a machine. A robotic sounding voice.

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