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Old 06-07-2018, 12:27 PM   #326
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New concept art would suggest Vision's ghost form/white scheme or whatnot.
This is not White Vision. He appears translucent. The Vision has a holographic form that wanders around when his body is paralyzed. So maybe Shuri is fixing the Vision and gets his personality going but can't get the body to function yet. Holographic Vision then wanders around Wakanda while waiting for his body to be finished.

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Old 06-07-2018, 12:34 PM   #327
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White Vision was a terrible character and very boring. It would hurt the movie if White Vision was in it. I know I would not be entertained.
Just because the comic version was boring that doesn't mean the movie version would be.

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Old 06-07-2018, 01:05 PM   #328
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Why bring him back? Without the stone he loses all of his special abilities that make him a powerhouse. He'd just be an android made of Vibranium.
...that alone is enough reason to keep him around.

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Old 06-07-2018, 01:24 PM   #329
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There have been at least a couple of times in the Avengers comics where Vision's body was badly damaged and so he wandered around in a holographic form while his body was undergoing repairs. That doesn't mean it will happen but there is plenty of precedent for it.

One question about Vision that I don't think has been made very clear in the movies is exactly how much of his power comes from the stone and how much from the way he was designed. This gives the writers plenty of freedom in answering those questions.

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Just because the comic version was boring that doesn't mean the movie version would be.
Agreed. I'd love to see white Vision.

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Old 06-07-2018, 05:10 PM   #331
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Half the characters are dead.

Anyway there was so much talk of how Vision didn't need the stone to survive, and Shuri was working on it, and he already died and came back to life once in the same movie, the second time he died, his body was left intact but drained of all color. They might as well have been putting up a gigantic flashing "CONTINUED NEXT YEAR" sign.
He only came back after dying because Thanos rewound time in order to cruelly kill him again by removing the Infinity Stone. Pre-snap deaths are confirmed to be permanent.

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Old 06-07-2018, 05:22 PM   #332
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He only came back after dying because Thanos rewound time in order to cruelly kill him again by removing the Infinity Stone. Pre-snap deaths are confirmed to be permanent.
That has not been confirmed by the Russos or anyone else associated with Marvel Studios. It is fan speculation at this point.

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Old 06-07-2018, 09:50 PM   #333
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He only came back after dying because Thanos rewound time in order to cruelly kill him again by removing the Infinity Stone. Pre-snap deaths are confirmed to be permanent.
It wasn't cruelly since it was meant to get the stone and the only way.

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‘Avengers: Infinity War’ Snap Won’t Affect Marvel’s TV Shows, Mostly
https://heroichollywood.com/avengers-snap-marvel-tv/

The snap won't happen on the TV shows because Avengers 4 is going to reverse time and undo it.

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Why bring him back? Without the stone he loses all of his special abilities that make him a powerhouse. He'd just be an android made of Vibranium.

His involvement throughout his tenure has been relatively slight. He was created in the 3rd act of AOU. The Russos then basically hid him for most of Civil War. In AIW he was pretty much a plot device and "damsel in distress".

I just don't feel like anyone really knows how to use him cinematically speaking and consider him done at this point.
Well first off, you say “android made of vibranium” like that would just be valueless and he wouldn’t be super strong and incredibly durable.

Also, is it ever established what exact powers are solely given to Vision from the stone? Obviously his mind comes from the stone, and safe to say same with the energy beam that comes specifically from the stone. Isn’t it possible that phasing and flying is attributed to it being an android made solely of vibranium and because vibranium does whatever the plot wants to reveal it does? Thanos had the stones glow when he used their respective power, it’s not like Vision’s stone lit up ever when he was phasing or flying.

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That supposed grey Vision concept art floating around is just photoshopped concept art from Age of Ultron.

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https://heroichollywood.com/avengers-snap-marvel-tv/

The snap won't happen on the TV shows because Avengers 4 is going to reverse time and undo it.
Well the tv shows have never really had any connection passed the 1st two seasons of AoS. The Netflix shows just drop names every now and then, they have never had to deal with actions from the movies. Don't see the Accords impacting them so the Snap wouldn't either. JJ was post civil War so the other shows are likely before IWs anyways.

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That has not been confirmed by the Russos or anyone else associated with Marvel Studios. It is fan speculation at this point.
The writers confirmed it: https://movieweb.com/avengers-4-wont...ty-war-events/

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"deaths are real" does not mean "deaths are permenant".

Not when you have an all-powerful/convenient device in the Stones, and announced sequels coming up.

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Old 06-08-2018, 05:40 PM   #340
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It wasn't cruelly since it was meant to get the stone and the only way.
Cruelly as in it was cruel.

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That supposed grey Vision concept art floating around is just photoshopped concept art from Age of Ultron.
Very true.

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So here is a dumb thing I just thought of...I watched the quick video Renner did saying that its a wrap for filming. But he said "Infinity WarS" I mean, I've made that mistake at times as well. But he isn't in the 1st one. I know they wouldn't go that simple for the second name. This isn't Fast & Furious title makers. But it jumped out at me.


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DECEMBER 6-7, 2017: There was a casting call for a 2 year old boy with brown/black hair. It was listed as a "special role." This matches the casting call for 2 year old male twins.


So the time jump wouldn't be 5 years but 3ish. If that is Tony & Peppers kid.
Oh, and all the things about how she accidentally gave away a spoiler about having a kid in the next movie? That was NO mistake. It wasn't a live interview, it was in print, if it was such a big spoiler, they could have easily told them NOT to print it.

Sorry, just had to get that out. It bugs me when articles make something bigger than it is.

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"deaths are real" does not mean "deaths are permenant".

Not when you have an all-powerful/convenient device in the Stones, and announced sequels coming up.
Exactly. Nobody in their right mind ever believed that Spider-Man, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and the majority of the Guardians are gonna stay dead when their movies have already been planned. Yes, they really died in-universe, but no, they won't stay dead. They've got stuff to do.

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Old 06-09-2018, 08:53 AM   #344
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Oh & one other thing I found interesting, in regards to an above post about The Wasp;


The actress, I forget her name, posted a picture of herself a while back at the end of filming Antman & the Wasp with the dots on her face(that they do for CGI) and someone mentioned that all the people who turned to ash filmed with those dots on their faces for those scenes.
So that's why Hank helps Stark, at the end of Antman & Wasp she turns to dust. He would do anything to get his daughter back. And working with Stark is really his only chance. Sad if true. I liked how well they portrayed their relationship in the 1st Antman

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Can't wait to see the dusting scene in Ant-Man 2!

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Old 06-10-2018, 01:43 PM   #346
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Can't wait to see the dusting scene in Ant-Man 2!



Yes! It didn't even occur to me that it would happen. (I have been trying to avoid spoilers for Infinity War for months. After seeing it, I am slowly catching up lol. So I realize half the stuff I post has already been discussed ages ago haha.)
I knew the movie was set right after Civil War & I was always curious how it was going to connect to A4. Then I saw that picture with the dots on her face & WHAM.



That is going to be one tear jerker of a scene.



The movie is only 25 days away! Woohoo!

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I keep thinking the post cred of A&W will be the tie in to IW's fallout.

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I thought the ending of Infinity War was beautiful. I really hope the ending of Avengers 4 will be just as satisfying.

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"deaths are real" does not mean "deaths are permenant".
It's clearly what they mean (IE the deaths aren't fake outs, like Infinity Stone resurrections).

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It's clearly what they mean (IE the deaths aren't fake outs, like Infinity Stone resurrections).
Sure, they're dead at the end of IW and possibly for a good part of Avengers 4. But no matter what spin the writers and directors try to put on it, no chance are they all still dead at the end of A4. Spider-Man 2 starts filming weeks from now.

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