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Old 06-09-2018, 02:02 PM   #451
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HeroFan, you asked how President Trump has been hurting our standing in the world... you got a lot of answers.
He has a history of saying borderline racist comments and threatening the Mexican government. You can agree with him that this is a good idea, but it obviously hurts our standing with Mexico.
He's trying to renegotiate NAFTA and enforcing tariffs on Canada due to trade deficit. Again, you can agree with him on this issue, but it still hurts our standing with Canada.
The Paris climate accords were a huge effort by the International community... for one of the biggest polluters to opt out of its previously agreed to obligations ( which were completely voluntary and self monitored) certainly makes many question our seriousness and yes, it hurts our standing with several of those countries.
To add to the pile, the dismantling of the Iran deal is also an example of how Trump has hurt our standing abroad. Now, there's little incentive to make a deal with the United States, if they are willing to unilaterally drop out, when the agreement specifically laid out how it would be null and void if Iran ever refused to cooperate. This hurts our standing.

But then, to argue that Obama hurt out standing overseas more is quite the stretch. It certainly isn't proven with your article. Obama and Merkel had a great repore with one another. Obama renormalized relations with Cuba. Obama was instrumental in the Paris Climate Agreement. Under the Obama sanction & diplomacy doctrine, we signed the most bold international binding agreement in decades, against our largest ideological foe (Iran). Obama oversaw the draw down of the Iraq war. Obama relied on a foreign policy doctrine of International cooperation, and yes.. our popularity abroad improved as a result.

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This picture says it all. Who are the grown ups and who is the spoiled child.



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What is painful is... The go it alone, insult our allies, my way or the highway method didn't do us any good when the Bushies tried it and once more for those that refuse to learn from history... That is all hardly ancient history. It's not something from a century ago. The years 2000-2007 aren't some byegone times our grandparents talk about.

But here we are again, being driven into a ditch because a segment of the population has zero clues about international relations and want to live in their fantasy world of what they think was the USA pre-Kennedy assassination.

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This picture says it all. Who are the grown ups and who is the spoiled child.


Wow.... that really is a good image to show what sort of 'leader' Trump is...

Very much the face my father pulls when we tell him about his false memories and other issues... someone who knows they've got a big issue, but won't listen to reality

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That photo really does say a thousand words..

- they are obviously all addressing President Trump. The leaning in by Merkel suggests an exaggeration. Like she wants to cross the divide and convince him of something important.

- Macron looks like he's talking to Bolton. His arm position almost makes it look like he's in the middle of a retort. Kind of like a, "You've got to come to me," stance. The way he is pressing down on the table is sort of like a "you listen here," posture. Something you'd see a superior do.

-Bolton and Trump basically look cornered. Shinzo Abe is sort of bridging the divide between the two groups. He wants to be in Trump's good graces, but it's not a full bodied defense of him either.

-Trump's body language speaks very loudly. Crossed arms, leaning back, avoiding eye contact with Merkel... all signs of someone who is closing himself off from the group. Someone who is listening, but not listening.

But that smile... that speaks to me a sort of glee from being in the center of it. That is not the smile of someone who is engaged with the issues being discussed IMO... that's the smile of someone who has already made up his mind, and is now enjoying the amusement of watching his counterparts grapple with that decision. It's reinforced by Bolton, who has his arms crossed, invoking a "we're not here to talk" position.

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That should be a prize winning photo IMHO...

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Should be on the next Times cover

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That photo looks too ridiculous to be real.

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Same could be said about Trump.... yet there he is

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He's solidifying the idiotic and spoiled manbaby image of our country.

Absolutely disgraceful.

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Much like the whole of Trump's presidency.

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He's solidifying the idiotic and spoiled manbaby image of our country.

Absolutely disgraceful.
Makes me want to cry.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1005564645242036225?s=19

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He's gotten us into a trade war.....with Canada.

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You mean the toddler.

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Well the stock market on Monday should be fun.

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You mean the toddler.
It is kind of scary to see someone come in here and just ignore reality.

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An autocorrect is nowhere near as bad as calling your wife Michael multiple times.

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Only Trump could start a trade war with one of the least aggressive countries in the world which is also supposed to be our best neighbor.

Master negotiator indeed.

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An autocorrect is nowhere near as bad as calling your wife Michael multiple times.
It honestly just KILLS you that not only was a black man president but that it's obvious that when the dust settles from this period in history that said black man will be considered by historians as superior to the classless con man you have put faith in and continue to shill for despite all the evidence that piles up daily that a vote for a belligerent ******* isn't a substitute for having a cogent policy?


Your resentments and anger does not a practical and intelligent policy make.

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It honestly just KILLS you that not only was a black man president but that it's obvious that when the dust settles from this period in history that said black man will be considered by historians as superior to the classless con man you have put faith in and continue to shill for despite all the evidence that piles up daily that a vote for a belligerent ******* isn't a substitute for having a cogent policy?


Your resentments and anger does not a practical and intelligent policy make.
Huh? Doesn’t kill me at all. It’s telling that you have to bring race up immediately. He definitely won’t go down as the better president though. The only one who sounds angry is you my friend.

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It sounds like all that Trump supporters really care about is that Trump pisses off the same people that they hate. They would let their own house burn as long as the smoke got into a "libtard's" eyes. Pathetic.

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Huh? Doesn’t kill me at all. It’s telling that you have to bring race up immediately. He definitely won’t go down as the better president though. The only one who sounds angry is you my friend.
Sure thing. Thus why your posts have zero substance and are literally all about "triggering" the "Libs".

Hint... Triggering the Libs is also not a cogent and intelligent policy. But once more... You couldn't handle a Black man as president so you gotta get the most inane "points" in like that idiotic Michael post. Sorry Mr. Ohio but that's not a thoughtful criticism. But then the actual record of Obama is nowhere near the target rich environment of the 500 days of Trump. So keep on harping on what mustard the man used or what suit he wore and continue to lap up the incompetence and lies of the porn star raw dogging Russian boot licker of a fool you helped put into office.

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