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Old 06-12-2018, 11:45 PM   #651
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Which, given the toxic masculinity that he attempts to cultivate, and among his core base, isn't a bad thing in some's view.

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The myth of Trump being any sort of business genius or master dealmaker was debunked a while back for anyone paying attention. All he did was bully and swindle.
Bully and Swindle aka Cheat and Steal.

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Democrats under Obama: “ The Iran deal is great!”

Democrats under Trump: “The North Korean deal is horrible”.

Republicans under Obama: “You can’t trust Iran!”

Republicans under Trump: “HISTORIC”

lolololol
The problem with this comparison is that Obama had a deal. Trump got nothing in return for giving Kim legitimacy and ending military exercises.

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The myth of Trump being any sort of business genius or master dealmaker was debunked a while back for anyone paying attention. All he did was bully and swindle.
I think it is pretty well documented that his business dealings were mostly done by his more competent underlings. Trump just showed up, shook some hands and took credit for whatever deal his staff negotiated or secured.

Trump by his own admission has a very limited attention span. It is unlikely Trump takes the time to actually go through the finer complex details of business transactions and acquisitions.

If I was to be generous I would say Trump's 'strengths' lay in sales and marketing.

Trump has always been more concerned with perception than reality.

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Democrats under Obama: “ The Iran deal is great!”

Democrats under Trump: “The North Korean deal is horrible”.

Republicans under Obama: “You can’t trust Iran!”

Republicans under Trump: “HISTORIC”

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Democrats under Obama: “ The Iran deal is great!”

Democrats under Trump: “The North Korean deal is horrible”.

Republicans under Obama: “You can’t trust Iran!”

Republicans under Trump: “HISTORIC”

lolololol
Sigh...this is a false equivalence. We actually got something out of the Iran deal. Inspections, deadlines, etc. The Iran deal was concrete. We didn’t end military drills and give legitimacy to a monstrous dictator (and yes, while Iran’s regime is bad, it is not even close to the same league as Kim) in exchange for NOTHING.

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Well I’m shocked

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...agreed-to.html

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Now it appears the North Koreans are trying to seize on this confusion to put forth a favorable summit narrative — or rather, one even more favorable than “U.S. president legitimizes North Korean dictator.” On Wednesday North Korean state media said that in addition to suspending joint military drills, Trump agreed to lift sanctions against North Korea.

It appears even Trump was unclear on whether there was any record of his 40-minute talk with Kim. During his press conference in Singapore, he turned to Pompeo when asked if there was a transcript.

“Mike, do they have a transcript? You can give it out,” Trump said, according to the official White House transcript. “They did not record it. I don’t think they are recording it. Are there recordings of it? I wish there were. It is interesting stuff. I don’t. We probably have some notes or something. They have actually detailed notes I imagine.”

As Business Insider explains, notes taken by the U.S. interpreter might be the closest thing we have to a transcript of the talk. Any notes will be turned into a Memorandum of Conversation, possibly just a summary of the conversation, and provided to the National Archives.

Even if there’s no record, Trump assured reporters that it’s no big deal. “Well, I don’t have to verify because I have one of the great memories of all time. So I don’t have to. Okay? Okay?” he said.

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“I wanted to do this for myself. … I had to do it for myself.” - Donald Trump, August 2015
“I don’t want it for myself. I don’t need it for myself.” - Donald Trump, November 2015

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So we're just supposed to take the word of the most dishonest President in recent history for what was discussed here?

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Matt, I already posted on the last page. Boasting that you have diarrhea instead of constipation is nothing to boast about. We get nothing out of the Iran deal of substance. It’s all show and a one way deal. Do you believe the inspections are 100% comprehensive, accurate, and verifiable? Do you believe an oil rich Iran is environmentally conscious and needs uranium for a nuclear reactor? Do you believe they no longer State sponsor terrorism? We shouldn’t be making deals with Iran or North Korea. We should be telling the evil dictators to step down or sanctions will remain. Their people need to rise up and revolt or we can persuade them economically. I don’t care if we meet with dictators but giving them a single dime is an asinine mistake.

It’s hilarious to see politics playing out and all the sheep lining up to praise or criticize based on their party affiliation.

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So we're just supposed to take the word of the most dishonest President in recent history for what was discussed here?
Is he dishonest or are you just listening to the fake news?

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Matt, I already posted on the last page. Boasting that you have diarrhea instead of constipation is nothing to boast about. We get nothing out of the Iran deal of substance. It’s all show and a one way deal. Do you believe the inspections are 100% comprehensive, accurate, and verifiable? Do you believe an oil rich Iran is environmentally conscious and needs uranium for a nuclear reactor? Do you believe they no longer State sponsor terrorism? We shouldn’t be making deals with Iran or North Korea. We should be telling the evil dictators to step down or sanctions will remain. Their people need to rise up and revolt or we can persuade them economically. I don’t care if we meet with dictators but giving them a single dime is an asinine mistake.

It’s hilarious to see politics playing out and all the sheep lining up to praise or criticize based on their party affiliation.
Agreed with the paragraph above.

And regarding the last sentence, this is the common experience of America's increasingly polarized political environment. "When our side does it, wonderful. When your side does it, the world's doomed." I do find many of Trump's more absurd and unapologetically boastful remarks (i.e. assuring us to take his word for it because he's got "one of the greatest memories of all time") worthy of mockery though.

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Matt, I already posted on the last page. Boasting that you have diarrhea instead of constipation is nothing to boast about. We get nothing out of the Iran deal of substance. It’s all show and a one way deal. Do you believe the inspections are 100% comprehensive, accurate, and verifiable? Do you believe an oil rich Iran is environmentally conscious and needs uranium for a nuclear reactor? Do you believe they no longer State sponsor terrorism? We shouldn’t be making deals with Iran or North Korea. We should be telling the evil dictators to step down or sanctions will remain. Their people need to rise up and revolt or we can persuade them economically. I don’t care if we meet with dictators but giving them a single dime is an asinine mistake.

It’s hilarious to see politics playing out and all the sheep lining up to praise or criticize based on their party affiliation.
So, you don't believe our own source that they were complying? Sure, Iran was doing some ****** things. But the Iran deal was about one thing- non-proliferation. Which was working. And the thing is, if we had kept our end of the bargain, it was a viable first step to tackle the other things. Especially since it would be giving the moderate wing of the Iranian government a major success and more viability in power. Which is better than regime change. At least the Iranians seem to have a bit more freedom than the Saudis, if you want to talk about bad actors in the Middle East.

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Trump can't recall saying he has one of the world's best memories

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The beginning of the end. Finally.

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He is about to lose his ****. Because, more than anything, this is going to hit him where it hurts: The Trump Organization.

Also interesting in that he seems to have lost his lawyers.

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I'll bet money nothing major for Trump becomes of this. If I've learned anything from politics over the years from the Clinton scandals to Trump nothing ever really gets done and no one really gets punished. The corruption is real no matter what side you're on.

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And Mueller has asked for another 150 blank subpoenas ahead of the Manafort trial.

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I'll bet money nothing major for Trump becomes of this. If I've learned anything from politics over the years from the Clinton scandals to Trump nothing ever really gets done and no one really gets punished. The corruption is real no matter what side you're on.
Directly at Trump, no. But I am willing to bet they are about to go after the Trump Organization. Which is exactly the right place to hurt him.

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The beginning of the end. Finally.
I certainly hope so. I'm so sick of hearing "witch hunt", even though charges and indictments have happened. I don't want this to get shut down too soon.

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The Iran Deal wasn't the best, sure. But it was a good first step.

Surely the same damn analysis could be made of what went down in Singapore with Kim though.

Also with the Cohen thing, him co-operating doesn't necessarily mean there's stuff here on Trump. Just that they have stuff on Cohen and he might want to throw some other Manafort types to the wolves to get a slap on the wrist instead of anything more.

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clinton whataboutism plus false equivalency, eh? Its quite clear what side youre on.

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What he said wasn't whattaboutism. Clinton committed perjury, was impeached but not removed.

You're not going to get more than that with Trump, and that's best-case scenario for those opposing him. He's not out before November 2020, and even then...

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Surely the same damn analysis could be made of what went down in Singapore with Kim though.

Also with the Cohen thing, him co-operating doesn't necessarily mean there's stuff here on Trump. Just that they have stuff on Cohen and he might want to throw some other Manafort types to the wolves to get a slap on the wrist instead of anything more.
Yeah, giving North Korea something for nothing. Great start.

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