Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

Despite my many anti-Wolverine rants, when handled correctly, he can bring something to a story, and his relationship with Cyclops in the first two movies was fun at times. Had they given Cyke more respect and not screwed him over in X3, they could have really done something with it.

I agree. they were developing sort-of a grudging friendship / comraderie. There were insults and punches being thrown, but if it was REALLY important, they would stand up for each other. Unfortunately, X3 ended up with Scott giving Wolverine the finger and we never got to see how things COULD have turned out. Lots of questions ended up being asked but never answered, and X3 made most of those questions a moot point.

I don't hate Wolverine. I respect the guy and recognize how useful he is. When the crap goes down it is nice to have him on your team. But like all the other characters, he has a specific place he needs to fill without trying to spill over and displace everyone else. And that's where the movies, especially X3 fail. In addition, I still think it is silly to make a Wolverine spinoff when these films were essentially all about him anyways. What new insight are we going to gain about the character that will leave us breathless? How much more would we care to know about him at this point? Seems it's the other characters who deserve a spinoff more at this point, to at least make up for the lack of their own screen time and story arcs. Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Xavier, Angel, Beast! They could benefit more from spinoffs or prequels than Wolverine ever could.

One final bit that I agree with what's written above is the consequences of removing Cyclops from the storyline. Not only does that cause a serious imbalance in the equation and give Wolverine a direct, unchallenged path towards Jean and allow him to take over Cyclops' role, but if things really turn out the way they did, that Jean killed Cyclops in cold blood the way we are lead to believe, then there really is no hope or chance for salvation for Jean. She effectively negated one of her main reasons for wanting to live and come to grips with herself, and therefore death is really the only way out. In effect becoming a tragic story that shouldn't have happened in the first place, because of the improbable and ridiculous foundation that it is built upon in the first place.

The worst thing about X3 is not how bad it was, but how great it COULD have been.

That's the other thing, isn't it? They really had a good thing going here, but chose the cheap and sloppy way to make the third movie and earn a quick buck at the box office. We KNOW they could have done a better job. It wouldn't have been that hard to tweak the dialogue a bit here and there, polish things a little, and adjust it to give the characters more development and depth. certainly wouldn't require a stretch of the imagination or an increase in budget to show the characters actually concerned about Cyclops' demise or whereabouts, or show actual concern for his depression and pain, and to actually try to reach out to Jean, or be concerned about Storm's fears and burdens. Special effects and stunts are expensive, but good dialogue is both inexpensive yet priceless...

[CapBeerCino]

Originally Posted by ntcrawler

certainly wouldn't require a stretch of the imagination or an increase in budget to show the characters actually concerned about Cyclops' demise or whereabouts, or show actual concern for his depression and pain, and to actually try to reach out to Jean, or be concerned about Storm's fears and burdens. Special effects and stunts are expensive, but good dialogue is both inexpensive yet priceless...

But then the movie will run longer than 103 mins and they wont be able to screen it 100 times a day to make $430 worldwide.

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by CapBeerCino

But then the movie will run longer than 103 mins and they wont be able to screen it 100 times a day to make $430 worldwide.

Quite right, CCC, quite right. What if they just increased the playback speed to make up for extra footage? But not as fast as those Marvel comic pages flipping at the beginning of course

[CapBeerCino]

Edit.

[xii22_loop]

Looking at those pictures at the top of this page, they did some good cyclops casting, Marsden and comic book cyclops both got their fair share of chest hair. Wolverine has some competition

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Jimmy at the Step Up Los Angeles Premiere - August 7th

[Bastila]

Oh those pictures are nice, his does have a great smile.

[Kurosawa]

It's amazing to me just how much he looks like the comics version of Cyclops. He really was perfectly cast.

[Pizzaboy1138]

Marsden looks relaxed.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Originally Posted by Pizzaboy1138

Marsden looks relaxed.

And younger that what he looked like in the other resent photos.

[ntcrawler]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

It's amazing to me just how much he looks like the comics version of Cyclops. He really was perfectly cast.

Yeah, isnit it great? But I also understand that some of the artists tweaked the artwork of the comics since the first X movie came out to better match the cast members. It's especially evident in Endsong. there's a couple shots of Jean which are literally an animated version of Famke. I can even point out the live-action pictures that they traced the artwork from.

Good stuff!

[larryfilmmaker]

actually that version of Cyclops was created in The Ultimates, which were loosely based on the movies so if Cyke looks like Marsden... well that's why

[DarknessOfDeath]

-sighs- its too bad they wasted a gifted man to play the leader called Cyclops who has been around much longer since X-Men was created in 1964. what a shame... he was so beautiful. -sniffles- and they turn their DAMN backs on him! Especially in the last two. He deserved more than what he was given to do...

I'm gonna miss James as Scott Summers/Cyclops.

[ntcrawler]

^^, hey don't fret. Even 10, 15 years from now he'd still have the right look and build to play a more mature but still recognizeable Cyclops. I think those comics got him hooked. he'll be back!

[Mdizzle]

he is a lovely man. hahha. those cheekbones, hehe. He is perfectly how I would have imagine Cyke

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post. The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post. The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

Sorry for the multiple post. The forums is so slow and my internet is going nuts.

[Hulkster]

Originally Posted by ntcrawler

^^, hey don't fret. Even 10, 15 years from now he'd still have the right look and build to play a more mature but still recognizeable Cyclops. I think those comics got him hooked. he'll be back!

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.

[Avalanche]

Originally Posted by Hulkster

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.

I wouldn't worry. Both Cyclops and Jean are dead. They won't be coming back.

[Hulkster]

Yes Jean is dead, but they didn't show Cyke die so there is still hope, don't worry man.

[CapBeerCino]

Originally Posted by Hulkster

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.

Yep, he is. and he sounds really eager to return as Cyke, so maybe we'll see him once more.

[The Original Bamfer]

'Just thought it was appropriate here.

[Mdizzle]

Originally Posted by Hulkster

Yes you're right man, Marsden is the right actor for Cyclops.

But I'm worrying about Jean because maybe if they do an X4 in 2008 or 2009, she will be older.

Anne Hathaway and Rachel McAdams are the only actresses I can think of that can play Jean Grey if Famke Janssen won't return.

I can't see Rachel McAdams as Jean, she seems too perky or something. Anne Hathaway is close enough to look i can see, her hair or watever. I don't know, age-wise tho, Famke is much older and seems more mature-looking.

[Mdizzle]

Guys don't really change too too much in their look I don't think...so even in a couple of years if they brought back Cyke I think Marsden would still be an appropriate choice.