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Old 02-05-2013, 12:59 PM   #401
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If not for Melina, John Morrison might be roughly where Ziggler and Miz are right now.

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Melina was a good performer who could talk and put on a good match but I don't think she's at quite the level of Sherri Martel. I mean Sherri added so much to the likes of HBK and the Macho Man, whereas I don't Melina did all that much for Morrison.

It really does sound she was poison backstage too, there's way too many negative stories about her to not be true.
Like everyones said Melinas biggest obstacle may have been Melina. From the rumors she just sounds like one of those women that lived up too strongly to the title of "diva" and didn't get along with all the other women.

Remember when she and Foley were associated? Foley has said he always liked her but the two of them had a storyline together aroud the time Foley wrestled Flair circa 06.

JR made a crack about them on LOW once and I thought he was just joking about the storyline but then it made me wonder if there wasn't more to it. Divas have been known to go after big stars in WWE.

I joke around sometimes but I'd hate to think all the rumors about her are true. There are just so many out there though. The stuff with Batista. Knox. I swear if all that stuff IS true then I feel bad for Morrison. He's his eras Chris Candido backstage. Thats got to be embaressing to have to live down.



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That was classic!

Yeah...

WWE could have done more with that and put Nitro/Morrison and HBK into a good one on one program at some point. The comparisons are always made and while I doubt Morrison EVER woud have been as good as Shawn the storyline between those two and Melina could have written itself. Shawn could have done a lot to get him over. They had plenty of tag matches and a few one on ones together but there could have been bigger things done.

Even when Miz and Morrisons tag team broke up they were compared to -the Rockers. WWE even made it a storyline. Who was going to be the next Shawn and who would be the next Marty was the argument.


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Melina was a good performer who could talk and put on a good match but I don't think she's at quite the level of Sherri Martel. I mean Sherri added so much to the likes of HBK and the Macho Man, whereas I don't Melina did all that much for Morrison.
When it comes to Melina and Morrison, I think this will always happen when a guy who's suppose to be the main performer has a attractive woman by his side. She'll end up getting all the attention, but even Macho Man was still the centerpiece with Sherri by his side.

And Melina was great on the mic too, but once she turned face (and like I said I liked her face turn) it's like her mic skills suddenly lessened.

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- Wrestlers with an eye for how other wrestlers perform have noted that Rock wasn’t moving around much in the ring with C.M. Punk. The main point of emphasis is that Rock did not bounce or spring off the ropes as much as he used to. Rock is 40-years-old now, is carrying muscle mass, and there was ring rust at the Rumble PPV. At 40, it’s starting to be noticeable and it’s more difficult to shake off the ring rust.
The bulk is the biggest problem IMO. At 40 and having not worked in the ring regularly in a decade there are bound to be issues, but his stiffness and poor mobility is caused primarily by his over-sized upper body, and it really stands out due to how athletic and quick he used to be. Guys like Hogan and Austin got away with things later on due to their style, but Rock's style was slick and fast, so slow and immobile really stands out with him.
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There could be some truth in this, it was noticeable that neither the GTS or Rock bottom were used in their Rumble match, I can't remember the last title match where neither guy used their primary finisher.
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I think this is pretty much the bottom line, Rock wants the access to that male teen demo and WWE wants that tap into the mainstream.

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Melina catches SO much flack from the IWC. If she really has the terrible attitude that people say she does, then I certainly understand why. But I think she is one of the best divas of the past decade. Good talker, good worker, unique look compared to the other divas, best diva entrance (from the paparazzi to the splits), and to be completely superficial, I thought she was hot. I've seen some dudes online call her a horse face...whatever, I thought she was pretty and has a killer body. (Dat @$$!!! Damn, I miss bra & panty matches!)

A modern Sheri Martel is a very appropriate comparison, in my opinion...you nailed it!
I saw some of the other posts saying Sherri was better, no doubt about that, Melina hadn't reached her full potential though when she got canned, her attributes were very much in the same ballpark as Sherri though IMO. It seems sadly she hurts herself more than anyone else.

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Now Mickie James, that was someone the WWE should have never let leave. Her connection to the crowd at the time with the WWE, or now with TNA, is something no WWE diva right now can even begin to match. The divas division would be a totally different picture right now if she was still in it. I would even say she's better than Victoria/Tara, overall.
If the WWE had allowed the natural transition from Trish to Mickie happen then the Divas division may never have lost it's momentum, but Vince never fully put the machine behind her because she's a country girl. Tara is very good but was never the package Mickie is and never connected with the fans on the same level.

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I joke around sometimes but I'd hate to think all the rumors about her are true. There are just so many out there though. The stuff with Batista. Knox. I swear if all that stuff IS true then I feel bad for Morrison. He's his eras Chris Candido backstage. Thats got to be embaressing to have to live down.
The Knox one never made any sense to me, I mean Batista was a big name so if she was trying to hook a main eventer ala Shawn and Sunny I could see it, but what the hell was Knox bringing to the table?

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WWE could have done more with that and put Nitro/Morrison and HBK into a good one on one program at some point. The comparisons are always made and while I doubt Morrison EVER woud have been as good as Shawn the storyline between those two and Melina could have written itself. Shawn could have done a lot to get him over. They had plenty of tag matches and a few one on ones together but there could have been bigger things done.
Yeah that seemed like an obvious future passing the torch match, I remember JoMo beat Shawn with the Superkick in a tag match on Raw and HBK never got his win back!

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WWE Championship Match:
-The Rock (c) vs. CM Punk

WWE World Title Match:
-Alberto Del Rio (c) vs. Big Show

Elimination Chamber Match for a Shot at the World Title at WrestleMania:
-Daniel Bryan vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton vs. TBA vs. TBA vs. TBA

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-John Cena, Ryback and Sheamus vs. The Shield
It's a pretty strong card and will surely have Ziggler vs Jericho added to it, but The Shield losing is almost inevitable and that is a crime before Mania.

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F4Wonline.com is reporting WWE Active voting was legitimate and caused WWE to change its Raw script.

WWE had originally planned for Randy Orton versus CM Punk to be the main event. The landslide voting victory for Chris Jericho obviously made a surprise change having Jericho in the main event and Orton put in a match with Wade Barrett.


WWE didn't have faith in Mysterio winning the voting and had already decided on a match between him and Daniel Bryan.

I wonder if Punk would have gotten such a clean win had he faced Orton.

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And Melina was great on the mic too, but once she turned face (and like I said I liked her face turn) it's like her mic skills suddenly lessened.
You always have to wonder about those who are terrible faces yet brilliant heels.

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I joke around sometimes but I'd hate to think all the rumors about her are true. There are just so many out there though. The stuff with Batista. Knox. I swear if all that stuff IS true then I feel bad for Morrison. He's his eras Chris Candido backstage. Thats got to be embaressing to have to live down.
Jesus Candido, now there's a tragic guy. I watched a shoot with Cornette and Percy Pringle recently, and even Pringle said he *****ed Candido out for taking all Sunny's crap.

As for Melina, Knox and Batista? One scruff ball and one pretty boy, doesn't sound like she was choosey.

Anyway, I know Swagger's only back, but I can see he still has the same problem. I just can't take him seriously as the super serial intense guy. The music for example, is still the same music he had when he started as the goofy jock and just doesn't fit with his current gimmick. And I'm sorry, having his hair unkempt and a beard doesn't make him look any tougher.

Just let the guy be the goofy and obnoxious jock! I was actually really entertained by that gimmick.

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If not for Melina, John Morrison might be roughly where Ziggler and Miz are right now.
Morrison vs Ziggler for the heavyweight title on a WM card would be epic.

John should be higher than Miz thats for sure. Somehow someone up at the E loves Miz for some unknown reason.

Also I always thought Mickie got let go as good ol'John boy wanted her gone after he had finished stuffing her before his marriage.

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If not for Melina, John Morrison might be roughly where Ziggler and Miz are right now.
no...no he wouldnt.

sorry but morrison could not talk was lack lustre in the ring and only good for the "cool" spots and guys like him are a dime a dozen in the indys

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I wonder if Punk would have gotten such a clean win had he faced Orton.
Huh? Maybe it was just me but I thought Jericho would have been a given. I had no desire to see Boreton -v- Punk, would of even preferred Mysterio.

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Huh? Maybe it was just me but I thought Jericho would have been a given. I had no desire to see Boreton -v- Punk, would of even preferred Mysterio.
I was meaning that something tells me had Orton won the voting as WWE was expecting, then Punk would not have gotten the clean win as he did with Jericho.

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sorry but when i see swagger i can only see one thing



and sadly he doesn't have 1/8th of the character

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and sadly he doesn't have 1/8th of the character
Swagger, Alex Riley, Brad Maddox and Miz. Chasing down Bo Dallas on his skateboard.

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- Both John Cena and Zack Ryder commented on Twitter as Ryder's "Hoeski" single continues to experience success on iTunes:

Cena: "If @ZackRyder and #hoeski break #50 on pop charts I may eat 50 pop tarts covered in #fruitypepples then make up my own #poopchart. Of which I will sit at #2. Now go download #hoeski"

Ryder: "When your company doesn’t believe in you, start a YouTube show. When that stops working, write a song. #stillswingin"

- David Otunga will be appearing on tomorrow's episode of In Session on HLN TV, discussing the Jodi Arias murder trial.

- Last night's WWE RAW averaged around 4.81 million viewers, making it the most-watched show on cable TV for the night. Hour one did 4.86 million viewers, hour two did 4.86 million viewers and the final hour drew 4.71 million viewers. The final rating will be out later but should be between 3.2 and 3.4.

Source: F4Wonline.com

- The deal to bring Bruno Sammartino into the 2013 WWE Hall of Fame was locked in two weeks ago after Triple H traveled to Bruno's home in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The contract was signed this past Friday, February 1st. There had been talk within WWE that the deal was done but sources close to Bruno wouldn't confirm it because he had not signed yet and they did not feel it was a done deal until he signed.

Bruno's deal with WWE is expected to be more than just the Hall of Fame induction as WWE wants to use him for commentary on DVD's, an appearance on TV and some other features. Bruno will likely be involved with the big 50th anniversary DVD that WWE has been planning.

Triple H is the one responsible for the deal. Bruno had turned Triple H's offer down before but word is that Triple H remained respectful but persistent. Triple H stayed in touch with Bruno over the phone and finally convinced him to change his mind. The negotiations went on altogether for about 7 months.

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In what way? Greatest draw? Greatest worker? Greatest all-around talent?

Sammartino is legendary and definitely should take his rightful place in the Hall of Fame. This is long overdue, and props to Triple H for getting the deal done.

But, I can't call him "the greatest." The style of wrestling was very different back then, and I will admit it's not necessarily my favorite thing to watch. That said, Bruno was a good strong-man, power wrestler and babyface. (Did he ever work heel?) The Garden crowd loved him, and anyone who can keep a crowd engaged enough to remain champion for 8 years straight and over 11 years all together certainly qualifies as one of the all-time greats. But THE greatest? I'm not willing to go there.

Still, regardless, I'm thrilled that he's being inducted. A Hall of Fame for this company is incomplete without him and Backlund.
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This sums it up better than I did Sage, I wasn't trying to diss Bruno I was just trying to put into context why I couldn't class him with the greatest. His drawing power in NYC and what he meant to the people there is unique but from a very different time, but when you look at guys drawing in a business exposed market all over the world you really can't compare, and I don't think outside of the drawing part of the equation he is mentioned with the greats.
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Gotta give credit to Triple H for not wavering in his pursuit to get Bruno for the HOF, I know they've been pushing for it for years. Now the WWE HOF finally adds a name that truly deserves to be in there. Now if we could just get Macho Man in there.

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I think between the two of them Melina was better at working the stick. More experience will do that.


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I think this is pretty much the bottom line, Rock wants the access to that male teen demo and WWE wants that tap into the mainstream.
Seems like the common sense answer to me. A no brainer. On paper its a win-win situation for both parties. Thats the "big picture" part.

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Victoria was never a top babyface type. Thats why that first face run never really took off. In WWE she worked better as a heel anyway. My beef was that they made her look so weak when she should have been booked stronger face or heel. I would have made Mickie the face of the division and Victoria a top heel. As time has shown they work very well together.

Mickie could have been the It girl though. She's more easily marketable She had the looks, the charisma, mic skills, ring skills, etc. and she was super over. But like you said she wasn't HIS type. Vince wants the more lean, model-esque, blond bomshell, all american type of girl. We've seen him try slight variations on that again and again.

AJ is another type thats easily marketable to a lot of fans but Vince refuses to actually try.


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The Knox one never made any sense to me, I mean Batista was a big name so if she was trying to hook a main eventer ala Shawn and Sunny I could see it, but what the hell was Knox bringing to the table?
I get the sense that she might be one of those types of girls that thrives on a lot of mens attention. It would explain one reason why she didn't get along with some of the other women. I've met girls like that who usually have daddy issues and thats one cause. Knox is an odd choice though.


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I wonder if Punk would have gotten such a clean win had he faced Orton.
I doubt it. The thing is I'm not sure why WWE didn't think Jericho didn't have such a strong chance of winning. You'd think they would have had two scripts variations ready.

Ortons one of their home grown boys but his star has faded a bit since Punk became the number 2 man in the company and its more rare to see Jericho these days. It think even Stevie Wonder could see that Punk and Jericho would deliver a more dynamic and even match than Punk and Orton. Jericho is the kind of guy that works better with someone like Punk so there was always a good chance Y2J would win the voting.



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You always have to wonder about those who are terrible faces yet brilliant heels.
Some are just natural a**holes and they are much better heels. Hogans one of the few exceptions to my theory since he was hugely sucessful as both.


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Yeah terribly sad considering what he went through and how he ended up. Its not like he ODed either. Just a tragic accident. From everything I've read he seemed like a great guy. He didn't deserve what Sunny did to him. If she wanted to move on she should have been upfront and told him it was over instead of stringing him back along for years while she f***ed around.

Thats why I can't bother to feel sorry for her at all now. As bad as Melina may be Sunny is worse and she's getting what she deserves. What goes around comes around. Sounds like she's stalking her recent boyfriend ro some sh** so her recent troubles are all on her.

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Anyway, I know Swagger's only back, but I can see he still has the same problem. I just can't take him seriously as the super serial intense guy. The music for example, is still the same music he had when he started as the goofy jock and just doesn't fit with his current gimmick. And I'm sorry, having his hair unkempt and a beard doesn't make him look any tougher.

Just let the guy be the goofy and obnoxious jock! I was actually really entertained by that gimmick.
He needed a change I'm just not sure the one he got was the right one. I have little interest in Swagger. He still looks kind of odd to me. Great athlete and mat wrestler but beyond that not much to draw someone in.



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Hell...if anything thats being too kind to Swagger!

If here were as awesome as Biff I might like him.


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Gotta give credit to Triple H for not wavering in his pursuit to get Bruno for the HOF, I know they've been pushing for it for years. Now the WWE HOF finally adds a name that truly deserves to be in there. Now if we could just get Macho Man in there.
Lesson to be learned: leave Vince out of negotiations like this. He's not exactly a master at handeling delicate matters like emotions and feelings.

I know H will push for Savage.

The real challenge: can Triple H get The Ultimate Warrior into the HOF?


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Also an interview I read with Sammartino saying how the product is good now as its family friendly and has no more profanity and such .... come on old man this stuff isn't fun. There is room to make the product appeal to all, not just little kids. WWE has enough shows that it can have the major ones aimed at the higher ages and the others more cartoon and kid friendly.

Pretty much caught up on Raw was an alright show, good to see Miz get the F5, still no idea why he is being kept around there are enough mid-carders, most with more in-ring skills.[/QUOTE]

I think Bruno really enjoyed Vince getting F5ed last Monday.

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sorry but when i see swagger i can only see one thing



and sadly he doesn't have 1/8th of the character
Make like a tree and get out of here!

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Old 02-05-2013, 05:13 PM   #423
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Are the E using plants in the crowd now a la TNA?


Btw, was Alberto wearing a Real Madrid tracksuit top at the hotel?

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I think between the two of them Melina was better at working the stick. More experience will do that.
Heh...I'm always reminded of that press conference promo Morrison and Melina did just after turning on Foley, and how akward it came across and was delivered.

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