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Old 05-07-2015, 01:59 PM   #51
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Could the Russos do that though, if Feige doesn't want it to happen? From the sound of things, Feige is pretty firm about it - QS isn't coming back, period. I'd love for him to come back, too, since he had so much potential, but that'd be pretty tough if the president of Marvel Studios is completely against the idea.
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I don't know if it's that Fiege personally doesn't want him back. He's either

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B) Trying to show support for Whedon, at a time when there relationship is increasingly strained.

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Old 05-07-2015, 04:00 PM   #52
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I don't think Marvel would've had Quicksilver dying in the final cut of the movie unless they intended it to be permanent. Whedon shot scenes of him living so it's not like they didn't have an out.

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Old 05-07-2015, 04:55 PM   #53
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Every death is permanent until they bring them back...

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Old 05-07-2015, 04:56 PM   #54
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I liked Quicksilver in this film and was sad to see them kill him off.

That being said, if Whedon or Feige did want to kill someone off, he was definitely the right choice. Iron Man, Cap, Black Widow, Thor, and Hulk are too important to kill off. That leaves Scarlet Witch, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, and Hawkeye as possibilities and I would definitely choose to keep those five over Quicksilver.

I personally don't see why ANYBODY had to die though.

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Old 05-07-2015, 06:20 PM   #55
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Neither do I. I thought 'Winter Soldier' had plenty of suspense and a high-stakes feeling, and nobody important died permanently there. Whedon wanted a death so the fight would seem "real" but I didn't think it did. It just felt like a cheap ploy and a real waste of a character.

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Old 05-07-2015, 06:53 PM   #56
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I liked Quicksilver in this film and was sad to see them kill him off.

That being said, if Whedon or Feige did want to kill someone off, he was definitely the right choice. Iron Man, Cap, Black Widow, Thor, and Hulk are too important to kill off. That leaves Scarlet Witch, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, and Hawkeye as possibilities and I would definitely choose to keep those five over Quicksilver.

I personally don't see why ANYBODY had to die though.
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Whedon wanted someone to die becuase he felt that everyone coming out alive was somewhat unrealistic given the stakes. I can see what he was going for.

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Old 05-07-2015, 07:22 PM   #57
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Whedon wanted someone to die becuase he felt that everyone coming out alive was somewhat unrealistic given the stakes. I can see what he was going for.
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Yeah, Whedon has felt that way in his other works as well. It has been a trademark for years. I just don't happen to agree with him. At least not for this film. I do think characters are likely going to have to die in Infinity War, since that is what everything is building to.

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Old 05-07-2015, 09:52 PM   #58
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I would have much rather sacrificed Rhodey if Whedon was so intent on killing someone. He's been in several MCU films now and we as an audience had grown to know him over time so his death would have had way more of an impact than QS, not to mention his powerset is redundant and we now miss out on a speedster on the team as well as the sibling dynamic.

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Old 05-08-2015, 12:37 AM   #59
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I would have much rather sacrificed Rhodey if Whedon was so intent on killing someone. He's been in several MCU films now and we as an audience had grown to know him over time so his death would have had way more of an impact than QS, not to mention his powerset is redundant and we now miss out on a speedster on the team as well as the sibling dynamic.
That's just what this movie needed, another action/sci-fi movie where the black guy dies. That's a played out cliche and is either intentionally or unintentionally racist. No thanks.

And for the record, I'm not calling you racist, but I am calling that tired cliche Hollywood trope either intentionally or unintentionally racist.

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Old 05-08-2015, 12:44 AM   #60
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Here's what I posted in another thread.

Let's be honest for a minute. If Quicksilver becomes very popular among moviegoers, then Marvel will bring him back. Also, at one time, Feige was either denying or being coy about the existence of the real Mandarin in the MCU, and then Lo and behold it was revealed that the real Mandarin did exist in the MCU. And according to this recent article about the most popular Avengers from the movie, Quicksilver was pretty popular with American moviegoers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/avengers-age-...marvel-1909294

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The numbers crunched also shows a surprising amount of support for Quicksilver (Aaron Taylor-Johnson). In North American and global sectors, the new villain dominated the conversation over Ultron (James Spader), who seemed to take over only the European market. Sorry, Spader. Although Loki (Tom Hiddleston) was nowhere to be found in “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” he still cropped up in more than 9 percent of the global conversation centered on the baddies.

And speaking of that poll, it looks like Hawkeye is still the least popular of the 7 main original movie Avengers despite his added (IMO) boring as hell generic Hollywood movie background.

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Despite the background added to his character, social media didn’t have much to say about Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner). The Avenger archer appeared in only 8 to 9 percent of online talk.

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I would have much rather sacrificed Rhodey if Whedon was so intent on killing someone. He's been in several MCU films now and we as an audience had grown to know him over time so his death would have had way more of an impact than QS, not to mention his powerset is redundant and we now miss out on a speedster on the team as well as the sibling dynamic.
Going into the movie I honestly thought this would have been the case. I was surprised when I found out he was actually going to be in the movie.

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That's just what this movie needed, another action/sci-fi movie where the black guy dies. That's a played out cliche and is either intentionally or unintentionally racist. No thanks.

And for the record, I'm not calling you racist, but I am calling that tired cliche Hollywood trope either intentionally or unintentionally racist.

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Old 05-08-2015, 05:23 AM   #63
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Not sure I'd call Quicksilver a 'villain', although I guess he sort of it in the first part of the movie.

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I liked Quicksilver in this film and was sad to see them kill him off.

That being said, if Whedon or Feige did want to kill someone off, he was definitely the right choice. Iron Man, Cap, Black Widow, Thor, and Hulk are too important to kill off. That leaves Scarlet Witch, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, and Hawkeye as possibilities and I would definitely choose to keep those five over Quicksilver.

I personally don't see why ANYBODY had to die though.
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I think the best character to kill off, would have been Maria Hill. She's been in the series long enough to know who she is, but after 3 cameos in the movies, and a stint in the show Agents of Shield, Marvel still don't care enough of her as a character to have her expand as anymore than a convenient plot device or set piece to get a scene moving. Her personality, her character outside of work, no one knows or seems to care, and her importance to the team could easily be replaced by Widow or Fury.

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Lol...that concept look did not have enough Adidas tracksuits to make him look eastern European.


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Old 05-09-2015, 11:47 AM   #67
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Look's like Wanda and Pietro are no longer mutants, Marvel giving FOX a big middle finger. That pretty much kills any argument that FOX and Marvel had some kind of "secret agreement" to split the twins in their movies.

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Look's like Wanda and Pietro are no longer mutants, Marvel giving FOX a big middle finger. That pretty much kills any argument that FOX and Marvel had some kind of "secret agreement" to split the twins in their movies.
Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Fox doesn't even care.

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My guess is it was largely Whedon's decision, not some business agreement. It is something he just does, because he thinks battles need casualties to be meaningful. It is common in his works.

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My guess is it was largely Whedon's decision, not some business agreement. It is something he just does, because he thinks battles need casualties to be meaningful. It is common in his works.
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Yeah, unfortunately, he could have gone the route of civilians dying because the heroes failed to save them, and they would have to live with that for the rest of their lives, instead of offing one of the characters that was just introduced in the movie. Bad call on him and on Feige for allowing it to happen!

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Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Fox doesn't even care.
Why is that a sad thing? Fox as well as the general audience should not care.

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Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Fox doesn't even care.
Fox did nothing wrong in this scenario. I'm all for flaming them when they deserve it but Fox are not wrong Marvel is. They had a temper tantrum after Fox beat them to the punch with QS so they erased their connection with each other.

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Problem is, QS' death didn't come across as an example of the tragic cost of war. Instead it felt like a cheap ploy to make the whole noisy mess mean something. The impression to me is, "What - they killed him already??"

It didn't help that he had QS say "I didn't see that coming" right after getting shot, which both ruined the emotional moment by playing his getting shot for laughs and indicated that his action to save Clint and the child was NOT self-sacrificial in any way. It wasn't a matter of him giving his life to save the boy and Clint - he didn't think he was going to get shot. It was an accident.

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My guess is it was largely Whedon's decision, not some business agreement. It is something he just does, because he thinks battles need casualties to be meaningful. It is common in his works.
You sound like you disagree

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