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Old 04-24-2016, 09:25 AM   #26
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Sad because SM3 had a better worldwide sales and reception.
That sounds pretty funny to me doe
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How are we so sure anyone wants the job?

"Here, you take all these DC licenses and for the next 10 years make a universe of movies just as good as the MCU."

Seriously who would take that job to devote that much time to an universe that will be nothing more than a copy of the MCU?
The window for a DCEU closed after MoS really. They wanted a solo Superman franchise but the box office numbers didn't support that. They added Batman and it didn't work. Batman and Superman franchises have been exhausted at this point.

The key now should be to get the other solo franchises off the ground. And no, they don't need to be interconnected with endless crossovers that is an MCU copy and paste. The franchises with the most potential are WW, Green Lantern, and maybe Martian Manhunter. The other characters are probably more of a one shot deal, but box office can change that obviously. You also have the burgeoning Batman expanded universe with Suicide Squad.

The key, right now at this moment (make a great Part I first and foremost), is to get someone else on next to or greater than Snyder as a co-producer. Bring in a new director for JL II. The intention should be for Justice League to be the main money grosser. You should be able to pump out three if not four JL movies and at least two with Affleck. 3-4 with Gadot and Cavill. But we need another director in here with a different vision thematically. This guy isn't your Feige overseeing each phase. Each franchise is separate and allowed to do its own thing while respecting the established continuity so it's not another X-Men with multiple timelines and contradictions. We just need a guy that can direct an ensemble well.


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Zootopia was only $130k behind The Boss on Friday so by weekend's end those two will be switching spots most likely with Zootopia at #4 and The Boss at #5. BvS will stay at #6. It saw it's last time in the top 5 last weekend(it's 4th weekend of release).
Looks like I was right about Zootopia beating The Boss and going from #5 last week back to #4 this week.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

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How are we so sure anyone wants the job?

"Here, you take all these DC licenses and for the next 10 years make a universe of movies just as good as the MCU."

Seriously who would take that job to devote that much time to an universe that will be nothing more than a copy of the MCU?

How about a DC writer directing a movie? Didn't MCU hired a Marvel writer to direct Avengers.

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The truth is, anyone who has examined the DC superhero movies made in the past 10 years that weren't directed by Christopher Nolan could've seen this coming. Aside from the TDK trilogy, none of the other superhero movies really worked. Both SR and GL were supposed to get a sequel but due to their respective movies' disappointing BO, WB cancelled those projects. WB has always been proud in letting the world know that they don't handicap the creativity of their directors, but without oversight the quality fluctuates and hard to maintain. Martin Campbell, who directed Goldeneye and Casino Royale, was also responsible for Green Lantern.

However, unlike the movies in the past, WB is now committed to a DCEU, which means that they cannot just pull out of the sequels like they used to do and must stick to the schedule. What they did not foresee is the critical maligning of BVS and its BO disappointment. But like riding on top of a wild horse, WB can't get off easily, and they have to let Snyder direct JL or else the whole DCEU may collapse. If SS and WW turned out to be amazing movies, the reputation of this franchise might be salvaged, but I'm not too optimistic about it.
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So true, Marvel might get flak for their micromanaging but I think it's for the better, that way an a quality movie is mostly guaranteed, even if they hire unproven directors (Jon Watts, Russos before TWS)
Regarding WB/DC's films having more creative control, I think two things should be pointed out.

First, studio interference from Marvel Studios is not the same as studio interference from WB. That may sound hypocritical, but it's not when you think about it. Marvel Studios is a relatively small studio composed of Kevin Feige and a few other Marvel fans that run the whole show. Disney for the most part lets them do whatever they want as long as they stay within certain budget constraints. Now it's true that many directors have clashed with Feige's vision in the past, but it's still ultimately a clash between two different creative visions. We can debate which approach is better, but that distinction should at least be made clear. It's not the same thing as someone all the way at the top of WB's food chain interfering in a project based on what they think will generate sales. Marvel has no Cars 2 or Green Lantern equivalent in that sense (Green Lantern actually had a lot of studio interference, and WB wanted to make it something akin to Iron Man).

Second, Snyder may have been given free reign, but it's really just a loophole for WB to claim they give their directors free reign. The problem is that Snyder and WB shared very similar attitudes about superhero films from day 1. They both made it clear they dislike Superman and want him to be more like Batman. They both associate moodiness as being "different from Marvel", try to adapt novels like Watchmen that just don't need adapting, and believed audiences will eat up a Batman vs. Superman film on its (poorly executed) premise alone. Snyder's no yes man, but he never had to be. It's by no means an example of auteur empowerment gone wrong; it's an example of the filtering process that goes on behind closed doors. It's very similar to the way CNN and Fox News select their reporters, if you ask me.

When you take those two factors into account, IMO the problem still boils down to Marvel having a creative vision and DC/WB not having one.

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It's been said before but it's worth repeating: WB needs to find a Feige for the DCEU. Marvel has basically treated the MCU like an ongoing TV series and Feige is the showrunner. I don't think you can successfully do an interconnected universe without someone of quality calling the shots.
Easier said than done. Feige's don't just grow on trees, y'know. It's like saying circa'1984 to just go find another George Lucas. These guys don't come along very often and we Marvel fans still don't truly appreciate how damn lucky we were when we got Feige. So good luck with finding someone similar WB/DC...I hope you find him/her, whoever they are. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Compared to BvS, SM3 is Schnilder's list!

BvS isn't at SM3's level, it is down there with Catwoman, GL and Fant4stic
Well as far as box office runs go, BvS & SM3 are the closest similar match up there is so it makes sense to use SM3's run as a guide to measure BvS against. Both are blockbuster superhero films that had poor reception and opened domestic to around halfway between $100 and $200 million. Both will finish within $10m of each other domestic and both will finish between $850-$900m WW. Also, both were not released in true summer when school is out.

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How about a DC writer directing a movie? Didn't MCU hired a Marvel writer to direct Avengers.
Well Whedon wasn't just a comic book writer but a TV writer and TV director.

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The closest thing for DC besides Whedon would be Kevin Smith.
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How about a DC writer directing a movie? Didn't MCU hired a Marvel writer to direct Avengers.
Yeah, a Marvel writer who also happened to have extensive and broad experience in tv and film as a writer/producer/creator/director/show runner etc.

WB wishes they had someone like this. They don't.

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Well Whedon wasn't just a comic book writer but a TV writer and TV director.

The closest thing for DC besides Whedon would be Kevin Smith.
Exactly. And no studio exec in his right mind would let KS anywhere near a big budget tentpole film . In any genre.

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Domestic: $319,501,603 37.5%
+ Foreign: $532,100,000 62.5%

= Worldwide: $851,601,603

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$8.3 million OS this weekend. OS total now at $532 million.

http://deadline.com/2016/04/the-jung...ts-1201742754/

If my math is right that should put the WW total after this weekend to about $852 million.

ETA: lol thanks rashad looks like my math skills held up for once.


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That sounds pretty funny to me doe
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That's better than expected actually

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That's better than expected actually
Yup. Though it might just be that the US box office is a release graveyard this week. Only one big new release, Huntsman, which like Gods of Egypt had "BOMB" written all over it in big neon letters, and a bunch of indie films with few theaters and even fewer dollars in marketing support. So if you are going to the theater this weekend it's almost certainly to see something you liked again or see a film that came out recently but you haven't had time to catch yet. Not that WB is complaining of course, they'll take every buck they can get at this point.

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Domestic: $319,501,603 37.5%
+ Foreign: $532,100,000 62.5%

= Worldwide: $851,601,603
The way I see it BvS will continue to play international as long as it continue to bring in the $$. For Domestic it's run is almost over after this weekend. I was wrong that BvS would finish at 830 mil WW, but I could see it now finishing at 870-875 mil WW. This is all but a plus for BvS, a movie that divided fans and critics.

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The way I see it BvS will continue to play international as long as it continue to bring in the $$. For Domestic it's run is almost over after this weekend. I was wrong that BvS would finish at 830 mil WW, but I could see it now finishing at 870-875 mil WW. This is all but a plus for BvS, a movie that divided fans and critics.
Civil War comes out between april 27th and april 29th in most international markets. BvS' international run is basically done. 875M ww indeed seems like the higher it's gonna go.

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Applying the '2x of whatever it made last weekend = how much gas is left in the tank' rule, this leads me to believe that WW this movie basically has another $28m left to go at most($11m DOM and $17m OS). That'd put it right around an $880m WW finish. $330m DOM & $550m OS.

Zootopia & TJB are going to be real close DOM at least. I think it'll be a nail-biter but both should finish in the $340m range.

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Good hold at least this time.
BvS will finsh 30-40m below my realistic expectations (900m ww ) which imo is acceptable.
Reading the comments I see overreactions quite everywhere. Legs were not good for sure. Everyone should admit it. Nevertheless comparing BvS to Catwoman or Batman and Robin is simply ridiculous.
Overseas the boxoffice met the expectations for sure. Overall It is a solid success.
Here a lot of people say that two icons like Superman and Batman should have made easily 1b. I remember that 10 years ago Batman Begins and Superman Returns combined did less than a Spiderman movie and that one of the best Batman movies ever did far less than the worst x-men movie.

For sure at WB they have been able to relaunch the DCU thanks even to Snyder.


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Easier said than done. Feige's don't just grow on trees, y'know. It's like saying circa'1984 to just go find another George Lucas. These guys don't come along very often and we Marvel fans still don't truly appreciate how damn lucky we were when we got Feige. So good luck with finding someone similar WB/DC...I hope you find him/her, whoever they are. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
Lol!

But you're right. Feige is a rarity because not only does he know his **** but he has a vision which by and large pleases both the fans and audiences alike and brings in creative collaborators who have a style and capability to mostly realise that vision. It's not easy to do his job as there's a great deal of trust and faith that has to be given but the passion is clearly there and when there's no need to compromise the spirit of what made the characters and source material so great in the first place why shouldn't Feige/Marvel/Disney see success?

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Good hold at least this time.
Yes, although it is probably too little, too late. CW arrives in two weeks and that will just about be that.

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Good hold at least this time.
BvS will finsh 30-40m below my realistic expectations (900m ww ) which imo is acceptable.
Reading the comments I see overreactions quite everywhere. Legs were not good for sure. Everyone should admit it. Nevertheless comparing BvS to Catwoman or Batman and Robin is simply ridiculous.
The comparisons to Catwoman and B&R were not about their box office performance but rather that they had similar receptions, both critically and with general audiences. Of course, B&R may have made more for WB than BvS when all those toy sales are factored in.

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Overseas the boxoffice met the expectations for sure. Overall It is a solid success.
For sure at WB they have been able to relaunch the DCU thanks even to Snyder.
Overseas, BvS is going to finish (at best) at $550M which is $85M less than TDKR. This despite massive market growth and the expansion of PLF screens. There’s no way Time Warner execs are happy with BvS. Given how panned BvS has been, I don’t think it “relaunched” the DCEU; if anything, it just buried it even deeper.

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Here a lot of people say that two icons like Superman and Batman should have made easily 1b. I remember that 10 years ago Batman Begins and Superman Returns combined did less than a Spiderman movie and that one of the best Batman movies ever did far less than the worst x-men movie.
And since then, two Batman solo flicks each topped $1B and a divisive Superman movie managed $650M. BvS opened to $420M worldwide; if it had been halfway decent (Man of Steel legs), it would have cruised past $1B. It’s a huge disappointment and a worrisome sign for Snyder’s DCEU vision.

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a couple of facts to look at

- gets beaten for #1 by The Boss
- knocked out of top 5 this weekend
- zootopia is still top 5 and it came out 3 weeks before BVS
- has no chance in hell of beating deadpool domestically - needs over 40 million more domestically to beat it
- wont hit 1 billion mark with batman,wonder woman and superman in the same film

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