Season 3 NEWS & DISCUSSION Thread

[Primal Slayer]

Originally Posted by Kelly

He was asked a question he answered it....

Ok? It is still surprising that got brought up. These kinds of things usually don't involve "did you know so and so character is hated so much". The Flarrowgirl-verse is filled with controversial opinions that havent gotten brought up in the 5 years.

[Nia]

He shouldn't have made a blanket statement but on the plus side, they got to hear what the president thinks. And it's that they support the character.

Regular people would take this as a hint to move on but apparently, some people have started a petition to "Give Kara her show back" when we don't even know what's happening this season and Mon-El is in a wormhole. Oh well. I just hope for a more peaceful Season 3.

[vantheman77]

Superman, Supergirl, and Flash will all be at the Teen Choice Awards.

I also hear the White Martians will make their return for the 3rd season.

[haephestus]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Well I don't want Mon-El gone, but knowing they're aware of a backlash is encouraging as they'll hopefully take a step back and look at the issues in the writing that caused said backlash in the first place and work towards remedying those this season.

Fingers crossed! I think Chris Wood is talented enough to elevate the character, IF they actually write the character better.

I'm hoping that they'll use some sort of timey wimey, time moves faster in the portal, whatever kind of explanation to bring him back much more as a much more mature, self-aware and repentant character.

It would be good to see him actually process the loss of his life on Daxam, the loss of his parents and the utter destruction that was wrought against his world. It was bizarre that he learnt English, adopted human / Earthly customs and jumped straight into shagging Miss Tessmacher, slinging drinks and then dating Kara so very quickly after everything his character supposedly went through.

[Osiris-Rex]

Apparently understanding and speaking all other languages is a superpower shared by Kryptonians and Daxamites. Rhea and Lar Gand also could understand and speak English as soon as they arrived.

[Thome216]

Originally Posted by haephestus

Fingers crossed! I think Chris Wood is talented enough to elevate the character, IF they actually write the character better.

I'm hoping that they'll use some sort of timey wimey, time moves faster in the portal, whatever kind of explanation to bring him back much more as a much more mature, self-aware and repentant character.

It would be good to see him actually process the loss of his life on Daxam, the loss of his parents and the utter destruction that was wrought against his world. It was bizarre that he learnt English, adopted human / Earthly customs and jumped straight into shagging Miss Tessmacher, slinging drinks and then dating Kara so very quickly after everything his character supposedly went through.

I'm no psychiatrist, but that sounds like a person running away from the issue, and finding safety in old habits. I would agree though, I wish they had hit harder on his loss, of both his home and his family. We don't have anything on film with Kara's response to it all, but when they've touched on those elements of her past, you get to really experience Kara's emotional pain left from it.

I'm hoping that when he comes back, we get something similar.

[flickchick85]

For the record though, Kryptonians DO canonically have an insane, superhuman knack for languages. Superman has supposedly become relatively fluent in every language he's ever come in contact with. Daxamites might be the same way.

EDIT: Totally missed Osiris' post basically saying the same thing, lol.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Primal Slayer

Ok? It is still surprising that got brought up. These kinds of things usually don't involve "did you know so and so character is hated so much". The Flarrowgirl-verse is filled with controversial opinions that havent gotten brought up in the 5 years.

The journalist was just being put in his place by the CEO. The CW gets far more information on likability of this character or that character from the Nielsen Ratings because those people do more than just have their boxes hooked to their TV's....so their information tells them what they need to know, far more than a fanon ship group unhappy that their ship isn't going to happen.

Steven Amell did a pretty good job at a couple of convention panels shutting up the Olicity people.

Question asked, question answered....people still butthurt about their ship. Moving on.....

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Thome216

I'm no psychiatrist, but that sounds like a person running away from the issue, and finding safety in old habits. I would agree though, I wish they had hit harder on his loss, of both his home and his family. We don't have anything on film with Kara's response to it all, but when they've touched on those elements of her past, you get to really experience Kara's emotional pain left from it.

I'm hoping that when he comes back, we get something similar.

Was it that much of a loss for him though? He didn't seem to have that close of a relationship with his parents...What he seemed to lose was not a relationship with his parents, but booze, girls....more booze and girls. Sooooooooooooooooo .....

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Kelly

The journalist was just being put in his place by the CEO. The CW gets far more information on likability of this character or that character from the Nielsen Ratings because those people do more than just have their boxes hooked to their TV's....so their information tells them what they need to know, far more than a fanon ship group unhappy that their ship isn't going to happen.

Again Kelly, it's not just the "Supercorp"-ers who have a problem with the handling of Mon-El, and some of us might not enjoy being lumped in with them.

There's no denying Mon-El is a divisive figure - they've been called out on it directly from press at both SDCC and TCA now, not just crazed shippers. And that same CEO "putting the journalist in his place" also acknowledged they're well aware of a backlash surrounding the character. I just hope they realize that's down the writing of the relationship last season and make efforts to fix where they went wrong.

[Flemm]

They just need to make sure the story is about the lead character, mostly, rather than supporting characters.

Season 1 wasn't perfect, by any means, but the show was clearly about Kara/Supergirl.

That actually helped supporting characters also, as I thought that Kara's relationship with Alex was a stronger focus in season 1, Manhunter worked better as part of the ensemble at that time, and so did Winn.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Flemm

They just need to make sure the story is about the lead character, mostly, rather than supporting characters.

Bingo. Fleshing out the supporting characters is fine, but I felt they went too far in making Mon-El a POV character (meaning we follow his POV instead of Kara's, as in the "morning after scene," for example) on a regular basis. It really did make Kara feel like the love interest in her own show there for a minute.

Kara, Alex and J'onn are the only characters I feel should be regular POV characters. Every now and then, another character can get focus for an episode, but it should always come back to those core 3, I think. Jimmy, Winn, Mon-El, Lena, Reign, etc. should be defined by their scenes with those 3 unless their scenes are otherwise crucial to the MAIN plot.

They say the couch scenes with Alex are back this season, so that's a step in the right direction, imo.

[Kelly]

I like Winn at the DEO far better than at Catco....I just don't like him in the Guardian story line simply because I don't like that storyline all that much. I want more of Alex doing DEO stuff rather than the emo stuff with Maggie.

I am really excited to see how Kara steers through these first 2 episodes...that trailer has REALLY PEAKED my interest.

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I think one of the main reasons I hate the Guardian storyline so much, besides Jimmy's dubious motivations, is that it made seemingly permanent POV characters out of two side characters who had no business being such. We should only see Guardian when his actions pertain to Kara or the main plot. Otherwise, don't waste our time with their shenanigans.

BTW, recent set pics of Melissa as Kara on set confirm our obvious prediction that this "Kara Danvers was a mistake" notion won't last long, lol.

[Flemm]

Well, for example, with Winn, he was mostly defined by his relationship with Kara in season 1. Which isn't to say he had no material of his own. The episode with his father was a stronger character episode for him than anything that I can recall in season 2. But overall the dynamic was mostly his friendship with Kara/Supergirl.

In season 2, it started to become more his relationship with James/Guardian. And then Lyra at a certain point, which was also a side story that tied into the Guardian stuff.

So it's not that he's working with the DEO. That's fine. It's that the focus for a lot of the characters shifted away from where it should be.

[LL2K2]

Originally Posted by Primal Slayer

Ok? It is still surprising that got brought up. These kinds of things usually don't involve "did you know so and so character is hated so much". The Flarrowgirl-verse is filled with controversial opinions that havent gotten brought up in the 5 years.

Those opinions can actually be traced further back than that, probably going back to the Smallville days. You had your fans who liked Clark being with Lana, your fans who liked Clark being with Chloe, and you had fans who liked Lex being with Lana. Clana, Chlark, and Lexana - those were the main 'ships' for the first few seasons.

Then you got a few borderline psychotic fans (no offense to those here who may have shipped these pairings) who wanted Clark and Lex to be more than friends, much like we're seeing with Kara and Lena, and even the Chloisers, the ones who believed Chloe Sullivan was really Lois Lane. Suffice it to say, this latter group got a major dose of butthurt when Erica Durance came on board as Lois in Season 4.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Flemm

Well, for example, with Winn, he was mostly defined by his relationship with Kara in season 1. Which isn't to say he had no material of his own. The episode with his father was a stronger character episode for him than anything that I can recall in season 2. But overall the dynamic was mostly his friendship with Kara/Supergirl.

Exactly. Giving these side characters one episode or two of focus (like the one with Winn's dad) is fine. But turning them in to regular POV characters is a mistake, imo.

[haephestus]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Kara, Alex and J'onn are the only characters I feel should be regular POV characters. Every now and then, another character can get focus for an episode, but it should always come back to those core 3, I think. Jimmy, Winn, Mon-El, Lena, Reign, etc. should be defined by their scenes with those 3 unless their scenes are otherwise crucial to the MAIN plot.

Excellent point. You're right, at times episodes were written, framed and filmed as though they were origin stories about Mon-El or Guardian instead of being about how Kara views those characters and their actions.

[Primal Slayer]

I dont want Supergirl to get into the "ota" mindset. Winn and James both have been there from the beginning and deserve the same respect that Alex and J'onn get imo.

[Kelly]

I liked how in the first season the majority of the scenes were with Alex and Kara, then Jonn, Kara and Alex, and then Kara, Winn and James....with some great character episodes for Winn and Jonn....in both of those character centric episodes Kara was still the central point that Jonn's story and Winn's story were built around. IMO, that was something that was lost in the 2nd season and I would like to see it back in the 3rd season.

[Flemm]

To my mind, Winn is an example of a character who works very well in a complementary role, with an occasional spotlight episode.

James is a little more of a question mark. I thought that the dynamic at Catco was quite good in season one, providing a lot of the show's humor and lighter side. James was involved there. But outside of that, the writers have struggled to find good material for him.

If the writers really want Guardian to continue, then having him work with the DEO would be better, imho. It would bring him back into the ensemble, along with Winn. And drop the fake Batman demeanor. It doesn't suit the character. James aspiring to be a superhero makes a certain amount of sense, though I wouldn't have chosen that direction for the character. But why would he aspire to be an intimidating/frightening vigilante type?

[Thome216]

Originally Posted by LL2K2

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Then you got a few borderline psychotic fans (no offense to those here who may have shipped these pairings) who wanted Clark and Lex to be more than friends, much like we're seeing with Kara and Lena, and even the Chloisers, the ones who believed Chloe Sullivan was really Lois Lane. Suffice it to say, this latter group got a major dose of butthurt when Erica Durance came on board as Lois in Season 4.

I've been a Chloiser all this time and never knew it!!

[LL2K2]

Carlos Bernard (24, Alien Raiders) has been cast as Oscar Rodas, Maggie Sawyer's father:

https://supergirl.tv/maggie-sawyer-s...rnard#comments

[Thome216]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Was it that much of a loss for him though? He didn't seem to have that close of a relationship with his parents...What he seemed to lose was not a relationship with his parents, but booze, girls....more booze and girls. Sooooooooooooooooo .....

Judging by the scenes with his parents, I would say that he did care for them. What seems to be a problem is that no one wants to give him props for trying to be better than the man his parents raised him to be. He's come a long way from that playboy persona, yet it seems that all people do is refer to that when they speak of his character.

As to central characters, I to hope they get back to the 'Trinity' as it were, of Kara, Alex and J'onn. I've said it before, but I would really hope that they would curtail the Guardian stuff, as for it is just a waste of time for Kara to shine.

[Osiris-Rex]

I'm thinking being Supergirl is hard, exhausting work for Melissa Benoist, what with all the stunts and rigging required for the flying scenes. So they put other things in like Guardian that stuntmen can do to give
Melissa a break but still have a lot of action. The alternative is just more scenes with people standing or sitting around talking. Much as we would like to see more of Supergirl on the show, it would be better
if Melissa wanted to do Supergirl for a few more years instead of deciding it's just too much work.