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Old 03-22-2017, 04:46 AM   #251
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You know, its funny, I'm seeing a lot of people not just from here but from lots of other comments sections on other sites and stuff saying they preferred this to Luke Cage. I had no idea the fans disliked that series so much.
What can I say, LC wasn't a well made show. Yes, it had style, but style doesn't save a show when there's just no interesting plot. IF is almost the opposite of that. Interesting plots that thematically fit well together, but not enough style for some people here, it seems.

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I liked LC and JJ a lot. They had their missteps, as did DD season 2 (mostly the Hand stuff). But I enjoyed them. I'm only about 2.5 episodes into this show and I don't think it's bad; it's not as engaging for me as the other ones but I'm enjoying it so far. I like Danny, even though he's prone to some dumb decisions. But I think that's part of his charm; he's supposed to be naive about certain things. Really, all of the actors so far have done well.

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A lot of the 80's American kung fu/fighting flicks used Carpenter influenced synth scores and I got and appreciated its use in this series.

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Yup; cant beat a little 80's synth/80's inspired synth. Even better when its what I call 'dirty synth' - when its really low and bass-ey.

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I definitely like the synth. By far my favorite music so far, especially the theme.

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The theme is pretty cool, but nothing tops the Daredevil theme or credit sequence, IMO. That thing is a work of art.

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I like the Daredevil theme, but the credits just never worked for me. They are great, they just don't appeal to me.

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For myself, I thought LC was a slog, and the villain issue is well worn territory by now. After IF though, in hindsight, Fist made me appreciate LC more and see all that they did right. Cage was a modern day Blaxploitation gloss and it did that well. IF should have been, for me anyway, THE Kung Fu super hero show aping all the classic tropes only, again, modernized. Cage has elements that brought to mind the classics from the genre it was inspired by right down to the show's music, intro, performances, interstitial, it all evokes that vibe those films had. Can anyone remember the sound of IF? It was a generic riff on the STRANGER THINGS music... Which makes no sense.
Definitely agreed. All the other shows solidly embraced a particular style and genre. This one didn't, and it really stands out.

. . . in fact, it just occurred to me. You know what they should have used as the intro sequence? The battle with Shou Lao the Undying. It would have let them show Danny fighting and beating a dragon, in a way that wouldn't break the budget.

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If anyone is interested my Iron Fist Spoiler Review Discussion is up.

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Definitely agreed. All the other shows solidly embraced a particular style and genre. This one didn't, and it really stands out.

. . . in fact, it just occurred to me. You know what they should have used as the intro sequence? The battle with Shou Lao the Undying. It would have let them show Danny fighting and beating a dragon, in a way that wouldn't break the budget.
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That's genius. And so obvious that I cant believe that no one has come up with that idea before (maybe its one of those things that is absolutely obvious, but only after someone else suggests it).

Yeah, why didn't they do that - makes so much sense on so many levels.

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So many simple things this show could have done in retrospect it's sad. So strange for a Marvel property. It's obvious Feige and his part of the machine has nothing to do with this side.

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Nail on head. Feige and co. have fought the good fight in showing that you can feature some of the more outlandish aspects of the source material [if you do it right] but Buck et al is clearly not in that camp, or even of the same way of thinking; almost harkens back to the dark ages attitude of adapting silly kids comics

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Nail on head. Feige and co. have fought the good fight in showing that you can feature some of the more outlandish aspects of the source material [if you do it right] but Buck et al is clearly not in that camp, or even of the same way of thinking; almost harkens back to the dark ages attitude of adapting silly kids comics
...and they've been hit or miss with this as a whole. The Thor movies are ****ing train wrecks. The only real success they've had with this is Guardians.

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While I think ANY show makes some missteps and could be better, I honestly don't get all the negatives I'm reading about it. I understand that DD, JJ, and LC all have a very different texture and feeling than does IF, but that's more of a stylistic choice than good or bad. Not all of the Netflix shows need to have a similar look and feel; in fact, I don't want them to. I kind of like the fact that this is different from its predecessors.

To the show itself....

I actually really liked the first two shows. I'm only at the end of the fifth episode and, clearly, 3-5 have slowed somewhat, but they appear to be setting up the bigger confrontation and I'm okay with that. I'll definitely binge the rest of the way through if possible today (off work) and see what I think.

My only real complaints are that the cinematography could work a little better sometimes. It's not "bad", but something seems to be missing sometimes. I think it's probably harder to do an exceptional job when shooting a "crispy clean" look than it is when you are doing a DD/JJ/LC darker look because everything stands out and is more visible, but I don't do camera work so that may be an idiotic comment on my part.

The other thing I noticed is that the fight scenes seem to be really uneven. Some of them are quite good, but some of them are way too slow and seem overly rehearsed. To me, looks like the work of 2 different people, but I'm guessing that's wrong.

Hey, I was more than willing to excuse the not-so-good fight scenes in TDK and am willing to do the same for IF and, NO, I'm not putting them in the same class of production; I'm just okay with some flaws along those lines.

EDIT: LOL...Hey, I just thought....maybe WB is paying off those critics over at RT again to trash Marvel shows and the people who are trashing IF are on the WB payroll.

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...and they've been hit or miss with this as a whole. The Thor movies are ****ing train wrecks. The only real success they've had with this is Guardians.
You can certainly believe that the Thor movies are train wrecks, but I think the general consensus is that they are on the lower end of Marvel productions, but fairly good movies (Well, maybe less so with TDW). While I liked SS>BvS>MoS (I've got it backwards according to most people), I think THOSE movies are generally considered more "trainwrecky" than the Thor movies.

To say that the only real success Marvel has had is with GotG is, IMO, just silly.

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...and they've been hit or miss with this as a whole. The Thor movies are ****ing train wrecks. The only real success they've had with this is Guardians.
But at least they've tried.

K'un Lun.
Shou-Lou.
IF Costume.
Zhou Cheng.

Can the same be said of Buck?

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But at least they've tried.

K'un Lun.
Shou-Lou.
IF Costume.
Zhou Cheng.

Can the same be said of Buck?
I want more of all of the above in Season 2 and I want them done right. Also, give Colleen orange highlights in her hair and give Davos his Steel Serpent costume while offering more practice time for fights.

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You can certainly believe that the Thor movies are train wrecks, but I think the general consensus is that they are on the lower end of Marvel productions, but fairly good movies (Well, maybe less so with TDW). While I liked SS>BvS>MoS (I've got it backwards according to most people), I think THOSE movies are generally considered more "trainwrecky" than the Thor movies.

To say that the only real success Marvel has had is with GotG is, IMO, just silly.
The only real success they have had showing the more fantastical elements is Guardians. I stand by that. Man of Steel and the Ultimate Cut of BVS are better than both of the Thor films, but I would rather not go down that rabit hole. Please keep the DC movies out of this. Any discussion there will derail this thread.

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But at least they've tried.

K'un Lun.
Shou-Lou.
IF Costume.
Zhou Cheng.

Can the same be said of Buck?
Buck doesn't get the material. That is not is up for debate, but trying to turn this into a film versus TV thing is ridiculous because it's not like the films have been that successful at this element of the material either. Shou-Lou and K'un Lun are restricted by budgetary restraints. Would you rather it be there and look like ****?

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The only real success they have had showing the more fantastical elements is Guardians. I stand by that.
Guardians is inherently as far as they can go given the set-up and setting, but Dr Strange (even if it was another "scientific" approach) is pretty damn fantastical relative to everything else. They just didn't get to capitalize on the visuals with as trippy characters and story. Legion did

Iron Fist has only alluded and shown off the magic of his fist occasionally.

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Guardians is inherently as far as they can go given the set-up and setting, but Dr Strange (even if it was another "scientific" approach) is pretty damn fantastical relative to everything else. They just didn't get to capitalize on the visuals with as trippy characters and story. Legion did

Iron Fist has only alluded and shown off the magic of his fist occasionally.
I'll be honest, I forgot the Dr Strange movie was even a thing and I own it.

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I'll be honest, I forgot the Dr Strange movie was even a thing and I own it.
lol, that happens every now and again.

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The only real success they have had showing the more fantastical elements is Guardians. I stand by that. Man of Steel and the Ultimate Cut of BVS are better than both of the Thor films, but I would rather not go down that rabit hole. Please keep the DC movies out of this. Any discussion there will derail this thread.



Buck doesn't get the material. That is not is up for debate, but trying to turn this into a film versus TV thing is ridiculous because it's not like the films have been that successful at this element of the material either. Shou-Lou and K'un Lun are restricted by budgetary restraints. Would you rather it be there and look like ****?
I don't think anybody minds that you briefly brought up Trainwreck Thor or GotG in this thread. If those kinds of brief comments "derail" threads, then every thread on SHH has been derailed.

There were some "fantastical" elements in AM also, but, on the whole, most MCU characters (to this point), don't lend themselves well to the "fantastical". IMO, the first Thor did well in that regard for the time it took place in Asgard/Rainbow bridge or off earth, but ultimately that wasn't what the movie was about. Those are writer/director decisions.

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Please let this not turn into another idiotic "Anything magical that doesn't cause scientists to shove ice picks in their ears is not magic" spiel. The MCU has plenty of magic and fantastical elements in it. Arguing otherwise is literal nonsense.

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Please let this not turn into another idiotic "Anything magical that doesn't cause scientists to shove ice picks in their ears is not magic" spiel. The MCU has plenty of magic and fantastical elements in it. Arguing otherwise is literal nonsense.
I'd say that with Thor and GotG it's the most obvious. There were certainly elements in AoU (Wanda) and AM (The Incredible Shrinking Man), but, by and large, CA, IM, and Hulk didn't have a lot of that.....and that's okay.

Sometimes I don't even know what "fantastical" is and think it might mean different things to different people.

I loved the part of Thor (first one) when he was explaining magic and science to Jane. One of my favorite Marvel moments.

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