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Old 03-12-2014, 03:27 PM   #351
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NSA posed as Facebook to implant malware on computers capable of spying on users.

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This is so beyond ridiculous and the point where there should be criminal charges and a cleaning out of the whole agency.

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Old 04-11-2014, 06:25 PM   #352
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Figured I would post this here instead of starting a new thread. Could end up being a Waco kind of incident. No surprise the cell towers were shut down.

Showdown on the range: Nevada rancher, feds face off over cattle grazing rights

http://misguidedchildren.com/domesti...n-update/18728

Report claims cell towers in Bundy ranch area shut down

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Old 04-11-2014, 06:39 PM   #353
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:53 AM   #354
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Historic! Feds Forced to Surrender to American Citizens
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:54 PM   #355
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Figured I would post this here instead of starting a new thread. Could end up being a Waco kind of incident. No surprise the cell towers were shut down.

Showdown on the range: Nevada rancher, feds face off over cattle grazing rights

http://misguidedchildren.com/domesti...n-update/18728

Report claims cell towers in Bundy ranch area shut down

http://www.examiner.com/article/repo...area-shut-down

I don't get this the guy doesn't pay the Federal fees because he doesn't feel like he should yet Fox News is treating him like a hero. Guy sounds like a freeloader to me(doesn't Fox News rally against moochers?)

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Old 04-15-2014, 06:22 PM   #356
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The government is legally right on this issue in the end, the guy wasn't paying fees on land that doesn't belong to him and he has defied court orders for years. The problem is how they have handled it to where they should honestly be ashamed of themselves.

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Old 04-15-2014, 06:28 PM   #357
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The government is legally right on this issue in the end, the guy wasn't paying fees on land that doesn't belong to him and he has defied court orders for years. The problem is how they have handled it to where they should honestly be ashamed of themselves.
I agree they been trying to get him to pay the fees for 20 years, talk about procrastination

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And the damn turtle that started the whole thing is perfectly fine.....

I'm all for conservation, I think it is very important, but some of this stuff is just stupid.

The Federal government getting involved is where they screwed up with this particular incident.

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The Federal government getting involved is where they screwed up with this particular incident.
Simple fact is the guy is mooching on land that isn't his, if the law says he owes money he has 2 easy options.

1. Pay what they are asking for or maybe go and make a deal for a lesser fee

2. Don't let your cattle graze there

It's not a case they came out of the blue and said hey you haven't given us the fees for 20 years, so you now owe us a million dollars, they have been trying to get the money out of him for 20 fricken years and he refused. They even offered him deals but he wouldn't pay.

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Simple fact is the guy is mooching on land that isn't his, if the law says he owes money he has 2 easy options.

1. Pay what they are asking for or maybe go and make a deal for a lesser fee

2. Don't let your cattle graze there
I agree that he is out of compliance with the present law, but the premise as to why the government took over the land is stupid, as it usually is....I'm sorry, but the man not paying his bill, doesn't change the stupidity of what caused the problem in the first place. His family had been grazing their cattle on that land for close to 150 years. The government took the land over to protect a ****ing turtle. That is stupidity....

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Who reported the turtle's presence to begin with?

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Not that I think this discussion should be moved but isn't this a property rights issue rather than a civil liberties issue?

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Not that I think this discussion should be moved but isn't this a property rights issue rather than a civil liberties issue?
It's a civil liberties issue for the right wing blog world


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The issue of him not paying is a simple legal issue that could have been taken care of through a lein, garnishment, any number of ways, so it turned from a legal issue that could be taken care of to a civil liberties issue in how the Federal government, even though it should have been a State government responded after 20 years of doing very little if anything.

So, yes, he should pay....no doubt, BUT....if I were him, I would ask for a bail out.

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The issue of him not paying is a simple legal issue that could have been taken care of through a lein, garnishment, any number of ways, so it turned from a legal issue that could be taken care of to a civil liberties issue in how the Federal government, even though it should have been a State government responded after 20 years of doing very little if anything.
They went to court about this issue in 1998 after after he lost he still didn't pay up.

The only thing I could think of doing that might not have been done was giving him notice if the cows are found on his land at any point they will gather them up and keep them as collateral(then I would wait like 6 months to a year after I send him that note to do it)

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They can take the money....hellllllooooooo....garnishment. Yep, they could'a, should'a done it. Many moons ago....

As far as taking his cows, they wouldn't do that.....the cost of feeding/taking care of those suckers would cost much more than what he owes over a 6 month period. Hell, they couldn't take care of them for a few days....some died.

And hey, again, I'm not disagreeing.....He used public land, made profit, he should pay. Not disputing that at all. It's just that this was "overkill" by the Federal Government. The selective moral outrage by the government of this is just ridiculous.

He needs to make a deal with the federal government....and move on from this.

And hey, 20 years.....a few administrations there could have done something within their power, as I said....lien, garnishment, etc....long ago.

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Old 04-27-2014, 05:02 PM   #368
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They can take the money....hellllllooooooo....garnishment. Yep, they could'a, should'a done it. Many moons ago....

As far as taking his cows, they wouldn't do that.....the cost of feeding/taking care of those suckers would cost much more than what he owes over a 6 month period. Hell, they couldn't take care of them for a few days....some died.

And hey, again, I'm not disagreeing.....He used public land, made profit, he should pay. Not disputing that at all. It's just that this was "overkill" by the Federal Government. The selective moral outrage by the government of this is just ridiculous.

He needs to make a deal with the federal government....and move on from this.

And hey, 20 years.....a few administrations there could have done something within their power, as I said....lien, garnishment, etc....long ago.
You could argue there are no heroes in this story, but this doesn't seem to be a breach of civil liberties that is nearly as serious as the ones we have been discussing.

Has the government overacted, sure, but that doesn't make this guy a hero and I think a lot of conservatives are regretting trying to turn him into one.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ight-rand-paul

The people who were trying to turn this guy before turning him into a hero, this guy has done no one any favors, including himself. He really comes off as selfish jerk, who only cares about his own rights and could care less about anyone else's rights. That is not the imagine conservatives would want to project.

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Edward Snowden interview Wednesday night on NBC.

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We really need to fight against this stuff...the NSA is getting way too out of control.

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Edward Snowden interview Wednesday night on NBC.

I don't like that guy. But I like what he did. The NSA is out of control and needs to be pulled back. The American people complain about it but do nothing. Snowden did something. So, I DO appreciate his actions an exposing a massive conspiracy against the American people.

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So, I think this is a good thread for my topic. I keep reading about "battles" taking place in schools related to religion and what not. People complaining about one religion praying out on the school lawn, or muslims praying in the gym and athiests complaining about the people praying.

Here's my thing...we're a multi-cultural country. And with that comes along all the parts that make up that culture including religion. So I think schools should allow all religions and religious books and rituals at schools. If a group of Christians or Muslims or whatever else wants to go out on the school lawn and sit around praying or doing a holy book study then go for it. If Athiests want to get together as a group on that same lawn (when it's free) and talk about whatever...go for it.

I feel as a society if we are going to openly accommodate other cultures...then we need to include religion as it is a part of that culture. As long as it's not being forced upon anyone else. IE..reading a bible or the Qur'an or whatever is NOT force feeding it on anyone else. Hounding someone about your beliefs IS. But if someone wants to drop to their knees and do that head bow thing and pray in the hallway (out of the way of people walking that is) then that's fine.

I think the future has room to embrace all aspects of cultural.

Who agrees? And if you disagree why?

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I am hopeful that all religions and superstitions will die out in the next couple of generations but people have a right to do what they like, as long as they aren't breaking any laws or causing a public nuisance, in the meantime.

We don't discuss religion on this site, however.

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