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I am not saying that to make IM2 out to be bad. I like the movie, but her lack of things to do and overall purpose passed being hot is something that sticks out about it. Quote:
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Iron Man is awesome.
Iron Man 2 is awesome. Spider-man 3 is awesome. Batman Returns is awesome. /discussion |
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I dont see why you guys whine about Natasha. This is the most stupid bandwagon to jump on. "Without Natasha, the film would have been the same. Many posters claim that so i must agree!" No it wouldnt have been the same and i just explained why. Now if you want to go and change the script so that Natasha wouldnt be needed, fine, but dont pretend that she was useless. But even if she was, they found a way to use one more comic book character and use her well. What the hell is people's problem? I'm pretty sure that TDK would have been the same without Scarecrow, Maroni, etc. And seeing how Ironman had those lasers, Warmachine wasnt needed to take down the drones! Warmachine shouldnt have been in the movie! The movie sucks! ![]() Get used to superheroes guest starring in each other's movies. Its how its going to be from now on. Last edited by Mr. Earle; 05-16-2010 at 09:20 PM. |
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Maroni was essential in TDK. He was the face of the mob that Gordon/Batman/Dent formed the alliance to stop. As for Scarecrow, it is not a great comparison. He didn't get NEARLY the screentime Widow did, and even there, he served the purpose of showing how Gotham was changing from typical thugs/gangs to freaks and people more willing to stand up to the Bat (he said Batman took out all other people to buy from).
Coulson could have spied on Stark from afar. As for tech prowess...we had hackers working for Stark trying to break in at the expo. Someone could have broken the connection there, as opposed to having to go to Hammer's building. Or, Iron Man could have did it by defeating Rhodey and doing some kind of high impact move that broke the connection. There were ways around it.
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Whatever.
Even if Natasha was not needed, her presence was definitely not offensive so i dont see why so many of you whine about it. Could it have been some other agent? Sure. But why would you use some random agent when you can use her, a character so loved by all the fans? And lets not forget the added bonus of Scarlett's looks and her great fighting scene that puts Nolan's Batman to shame. |
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She didn't ruin the movie so I wonder why people are complaining about this. People act like she had gotten more screentime than Stark. |
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I wouldn't mention anything about her if it wasn't for the amount of screentime she had. She had too much screentime to not get more development or be used for things less developed characters could have done and been less distracting. Like I said before, I enjoyed IM2. But, just because I liked it doesn't mean I didn't see flaws. Quote:
I really don't want to make this a TDK discussion, please don't ask me to go into more detail on it ![]() I didn't say she ruined the movie. But, she was a flaw. She either needed character development (given the amount of time she had on screen) or written out completely.
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Why did she need character development? Did Fury have any? Did Coulson or Tony's mentor (cant remember his name) have any in IM1?
She was there to spy on Tony and she did that. She was a supporting character to the story and she did just fine. Does a character have to have development in order to be in a movie? Cause i know thousands of good supporting characters who dont get any development. |
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I think the problem is that people were expecting more than they got of BW. I was fine with how she was used. She wasn't the focus of the film, so why are people complaining that she had too little to do. The main focus was on Stark, Pepper, Rhodey, Hammer, and Vanko. Like I said several times, she served her purpose.
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In a movie that had so much going on, her inclusion took up too much space away from the rest of the bits that were essential and could've been replaced by very minor plot adjustments. That was the one major flaw I thought walking out of the movie.
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So people are saying that she didn't get much development, and others are saying she took too much space away from other parts of the film. Which one is it guys?
I disagree that she took too much space. I think there could've been other scenes that could've been taken out. For example (and this pains me because I actually love the scene), the drunk Tony-Rhodey fight could've been taken out or shortened. And the press conference scene could've been shortened too imo. There could've been things that were shortened. |
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We don't all have one stance. People didn't think her character was necessary for differing purposes. We share an opinion for different reasons, don't act like we're flip-flopping.
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Okay, my mistake man. I still liked Iron Man 2, but at the same time I just think that there were bigger problems with the movie than BW.
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This is exactly what I am saying. With the amount of screentime she was given, she didn't contribute enough to the film. If you give a character that much screentime, they need developed.
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There are, but Black Widow is certainly one of them. I think it would have been better to minimize her role if not make it a cameo, because then the lack of a character arc would make more sense and be less distracting.
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![]() I just want to say that that I hope Fav's gets a better screenwriter for IM3 and realizes that less is more. It will be post a post Avengers film so he won't have to worry about building up to that. I just hope that Therox guy gets replaced. |
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She reported back to Fury about everything going on, so they came when Tony lost it, and then she helped him by rebooting WM. Quote:
![]() Why does a character need to change the protagonist to be in the movie? Did the Chechen or Maroni do that to Batman? She had a role and her role was to spy and help Tony. And she did that. She was part of SHIELD along with Coulson and Fury and SHIELD had a bigger role this time. Dont look at her as "Natasha", but as Shield. It could have been any other agent because the plot required someone to be there and report to Fury so that he could come and save Tony later. Not every character has to tell us about his/her childhood or affect the protagonist. Quote:
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So we're back to Black Widow wasn't necessary? lmao
There was nothing wrong with Black Widow in the movie. She there to spy on Tony. She didn't hog up screen time or take screen time from anyone. Sheesh, like I said a while back maybe Iron Man 3 should just be about Tony Stark and no one else, just a camera fixed on RDJ and following him around for two hours. Maybe that would stop the whining and complaining.
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I swear, fanboys complain about the dumbest things.
Black Widow served her purpose, as well as serving as a nod to Iron Man's history and as a character that will be in Avengers. What would REALLY be unnecessary and distracting would be giving her screentime and "development" she didnt need. Its funny. Fillmakers do these things for fans, try to replicate the comics in movies, and then fans complain. Sigh
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It seems to be following in the vain of the Blade series, where the First film was insanely good and the sequels just couldn't compete. Which doesn't make them bad movies, just not as good as the their predecessor.
IM2 seemed too concerned with setting up the Avengers spinoff then actually building its own stories with key characters like Rhodey/WM. Gives you the feeling that Incredible Hulk 2 or even Thor will just simply be platforms to build on the Avengers film.
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I thought Blade 2 was generally considered better than the first, and the third was terrible? So right in line with most franchises...
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Blade 2 was confusing and forgettable to mainstream audiences where as Blade was pretty cut and dry, resulting in it being the catalyst for the Marvel Superhero Movie Frenzy. Blade 3's only highlights were having Ryan Reynolds and Triple H steal the show.
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I know it's tough for geeks to admit but the Ninja Turtles movies were all pretty bad.
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Blasphemy! One of the only successful cartoon to live-action film series of that time period. And just a fun fight flick if you were a kid during that time. The first two films are easily cult classics.
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